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A friend wants me to build this

11/3/14       
Pat Gilbert

(It's his wife's idea)

Isn't this how most stories that have a bad ending start?

I don't see how this could be weather proofed.

Any ideas or reasons not to do it?


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11/4/14       #3: A friend wants me to build this ...
Mitch Suber  Member

Website: subercustomshutters.com

I personally like these types of projects. From the business side of things, they can be tricky. It does not seem that you could weather proof it any better than what is seen in the picture, without drastically making changes. Maybe that would be acceptable to the customer, but I would be sure of that. I have often found that the performance and expectations of products by customers, do not always match what a picture shows and what they are thinking. Once clear, I would definitely do it, if it fits the situation. Do they want it in their main house or an outdoor kitchen type of thing?
I got to laugh at the "wife" wants it comment. But they do keep us in business. I would probably close my doors if all I did was the safe, unimaginative,easy low budget projects that the average husband is willing to do. I hope my wife doesn't find that picture in a magazine somewhere.

11/4/14       #4: A friend wants me to build this ...
David R Sochar Member

Some of the better advice I have ever received is to stay with what you know and stick with processes you do all the time.

I see your work as well designed, tight, purpose made fixtures, and this looks like it is off the spectrum at the other end - compared to your normal.

First, I would explain that there will be no weatherproofing these doors. It also means no bug, draft, or dirt proofing either. Then there is security.....

There is a perception that once a good craftsman makes something, or you pay a lot for something, then it is bullet proof and will be all things to all people, like magic.

Lowered expectations, clearly stated, will make your work look just right. That doesn't quite sound right, but you get what I mean - I am sure you can pull off about anything like that.

Will you CNC the distress? Are there buttons for splits, dents, scratches and bug holes? I couldn't resist.

11/4/14       #5: A friend wants me to build this ...
Pat Gilbert

Thanks Mitch and Dave

I have to admit it looks like fun. But I was leaning more towards Dave's perspective.

11/4/14       #6: A friend wants me to build this ...
mark

Every project should involve some consideration given to the appropriateness of the Inspiration to the actual conditions. The picture shows a really cool passageway in an arid environment, opening into a protected courtyard. What are your conditions?

11/4/14       #7: A friend wants me to build this ...
Larry

No threshold, no over laps, no weather strips, wavy concrete level in & out, Mexico? Every bug I asked, approved. This looks like a professionally taken photo for some designer mag. I'd make it, just like the photo, if that's what she wants, with an iron clad contract. S. CA isn't all that much different than Mexico, is it?
I see convincing hubby as a major road block. You will lose a friend.

11/5/14       #8: A friend wants me to build this ...
rich c.

It might actually be an entrance to a sunroom. It would take some engineering to get some weatherstripping in it, but it would take overlaps, maybe an interrupted astragal. Silicone bulb seals in the corners of the overlaps. There will be some gaps somewhere, so you can get most of it sealed, but not 100%.

11/9/14       #9: A friend wants me to build this ...
Steeliemark

Do they have to swing in?

11/9/14       #10: A friend wants me to build this ...
Pat Gilbert

Usually they do.

11/11/14       #11: A friend wants me to build this ...
Steeliemark

Yes, usually. But there seems to be an issue being discussed about weatherproofing the door- making the doors an outswing opening would greatly simplify that. Another approach would be to put the doors in a small vestibule(that can be closed) or possibly make a set of storms to cover the opening in bad weather. Lots of ways to skin this cat.

But, there are so many good weather seal products out there that using them in combination with good construction technique and you'll should be able build a good looking, weathertight, and functional door set. The only thing that can hold you back would be budget. And you might want to avoid what looks to be pintle hinges on those doors ;-)

11/11/14       #12: A friend wants me to build this ...
Pat Gilbert

Thanks Steeliemark

Good points but as Dave said this is not my main thing and being a friend budget would be an issue.

If she did want to use those hinges they would have to be on the outside.

11/15/14       #13: A friend wants me to build this ...
gary peterson

if you build it, make sure you have a saddle to keep the critters out.


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