I was courious how you guys hadle the way tools are handled. Do make the employee buy all hand tools, staple guns clamps etc.
Or other ? I am in a 15 to 20 man shop now have have to buy all this myself. When I had my shop I only had them buy what they wanted to use themselves .I supplied everything .
Thanks in Advance Skip
We buy all tools. Each station has a standard set. All very high quality. It is expensive but I feel worth it. For example a lessor nailer dents the wood. A cheap tape does not measure accurately. Some take pride n the tools some not so much.
A person should have a very basic set of tools for themselves. Ruler, square, pencil, maybe some screwdrivers and pliers. But they are working for you and you should be supplying the main things for them. Each work area should be provided with area specific tooling for those people. I don't see why anyone should have to put out for anything other than basic tools to make you money.
I remember reading an article about the day Boeing Airplane rolled the last employee-owned tool chest off the floor.
Heretofore the employees furnished their own tools. Some guys had complete sets and some just used their tool chest to store spare clothing and potato chips. Inevitably the lesser equipped would borrow tools from the properly equipped. When the tools ended up missing or damaged Boeing paid to replace them.
At the beginning and end of each shift Boeing would pay their workers to roll out and return their tool chests. Since the tool chests took so much space they were always left outside the airplane. Every time you needed a tool it involved another hike outside the airplane to retrieve and return the tool.
Boeing decided that since they were the de facto tool owner anyway it would make more sense to have the specific tool that was needed where it was needed.
I agree with all so fare. These guys have just found a way to keep there shop cost to bare minumin and I just have to take it or leave it.
Shop choices are scarce here in New York
only time I can remember having to buy everything in my 30 years exper. Good thing I have what was needed.
Thanks for the responces
I buy all the factory based tools, nails guns, sanders, dust extraction and hand tools on the work bench. I have a detailed list of what I expect the guys to own themselves which is generally power tools, a couple of good drills, cordless planer ect ect. Each team member gets a screw box purchased for them in their chosen toolbox system, festool, makita dewalt or a quality generic if they haven't got a tool box system.
The occasional site tools like plunge saws and drop saws I also purchase. We have a tool room with a check in, check out system. If you check it out to "borrow it" because you don't have your own tool. Then it is expected that you return it in good order otherwise it is your responsibility to replace or repair unreasonable damage.
In the past I had a site kit and after I saw it being disrespected one time too many I changed over to this system.
You had me until you started accusing business owners of trying to suck every penny from the noble craftsmen.
In our case we furnish the tools because it is simply more efficient to do so. I am quite sure some of our craftspeople would like to have their own tool chest at their bench. I personally think I can better yoke them to the creation of surplus value if I control the means of production.
We supply everything, right down to the pencils! Each assembly bench has the same setup, mostly on shadow boards so missing tools are easily spotted. Periodically we will get an employee that steals tools, supplies etc. when caught they are no longer employees.
Shadow boards are a good idea if only so that where the tools live is standardized. This makes it easy to find but more importantly makes it easier to put away. This way you don't have little puddles of tools that need to either be cleared away or competed with when you need to use a bench.
The layout of our shop does not lend itself to shadow boards as we do all the assembly operations in the center of the shop. I don't want to have any visual barriers that a wall surface would create. As a consequence our benches have color coded drawers. The hand tools that live in them are color coded to the drawer they belong in.
Boeing instituted a shadow board system to make sure that tools don't get left in the fuselage. They figured it would be somewhat unnerving for passengers to hear hammers rattling around in the wings.
That is what I meant by a pro shop versus
the shop I am at .They make me buy the clamps I need, all hand tools , all the nail guns, routers bits and routers. jig saw, drills and screw guns. lamello cutter etc. So that is why I made the statement about taken whatever they can. Meaning only the shop I am at. Not you Cabinet maker .
There are certainly different opinions on this, and to varying degrees, but if what you are stating is accurate, then IMO that is not right. Your company should be providing all of the necessary tools & equipment to manufacture the product they are selling. We provide everything that is needed to build the items we sell. We also allow oue employees to bring their own drills, hand tools etc if they prefer to use a certain brand. We have the companies tools spray painted with a bright yellow marker to easily identify what belongs to the company.
As long as the majority of employees keeps quiet without approaching management about this, it will remain status quo for you.Maybe you could talk to the shop foreman and other vested employees to get their thoughts on this and if they feel the same way, then approach management to express your concerns.
The shop should have all tools necessary to do their work available to the employee.
Many workers I know-myself included- prefer to use their own hand and layout tools and keep a hand box at their bench, but anything needed should be supplied by the shop- Batt.drill, bits, sanders, sandpaper, routers, bits, chisels, files, rasps, pencils, markers, tape, notepads, and certainly all clamps bigger than 4", jig saws, blades, skillsaws, a good first aid kit- all shop supplied.
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