So I just sold my drum sander, I had to sell it as i have a very small shop and need the space. I used it for sanding doors after glue up, my question is what is the best electric random orbit to get, I have a small makita 5 inch I use for removing cross grain scratches, but I want something more aggressive for getting rid of mill glaze and sanding the joints. Is the Deros aggressive enough to get rid of mill marks or should I go with the Rotax 150.
i dont know about the deros but i have the mirka ceros and it is pretty aggressive. You would have to start with 100 or 80 grit and go up through the grits to get to the finish you want. I usually stop at 150. That would be time consuming if you make a lot of doors.
There is no random orbit sander that replaces a drum sander for making a flat door. The use of an aggressive hand sander for that application will result in visible problems if you have a painted or semi-gloss finish. I'd suggest you have a tooling or setup issue if you need something aggressive for sanding the joints.
uhhh?jack plane, sharp with eye for grain. i do use an adjustable orbit rigid 6in, and a Milwaukee 5in as well. but if you're off a lot its a set up issue. i also use an antique stanley #80 handled cabinet scraper. just scraped some heart pine tables i couldnt sand because of build up on sandpaper
You need to get really good at proper setup and glue up. Many shops just slap them together and then rely on the wide belt to flatten them. However, it is then necessary to random orbit sand the cross grain scratches off. Use dead flat material. Setup the shapers so the profiles line up within a paper thickness or better. Make sure you glue them up dead flat. You should be able to hit the joints with 100 grit and the whole door with 150 grit.
Sorry, I should clarify, its not the stub tenon to groove joint I am concerned about, I get them to match up within a few thousands. its the mill marks I am concerned about. i think I am going with a Rotax 150. Any one have experience running a Rotax for an hour or so?
I drum sand before I build doors, then use my 6" Bosch ROS65VC with 150 grit after glue up to tidy up the joints. If I didn't have a drum sander I would ROS my stock with 100 or 120 grit before ripping to get rid of the mill marks.
I own most of the Festool sanders. I have used the the 6 inch Rotex 150 for over 10 years in my shop. I consider it my general purpose sander.
That said, the swirl pattern is not as fine as I will ever be satisfied with for my final sanding before finish. It is very aggressive in both modes. I always follow with the Festool 5 inch 125 finish sander.
The 150 is a very good sander, but I prefer the finish sanding I get from air sanders much better. I haven't tried their electric equivalents yet. I just don't want to upgrade to the much bigger compressor I would need to provide the required air I would need to do so.
Be very careful with it. Once you use it for a while it will do the job I think you want it for.
Thanks every one for the advise. I decided to go with the ets ec 150/5. I am not keen on 5 piece outsourced doors, way to many horror stories out there. Besides if its my job its going to be my work, that's just the way I am. My doors generally dont require much sanding as I keep the knives in my jointer/planer fresh. I think this sander will fit my needs well. i also ordered the hard pad to go with it.
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