We need to add another sander but are already running 2 Dynabrades. So instead of buying a new compressor, we are looking at the electrics. I know people love their Ceros' (when they're not broken) and they look a little more ergonomic and maneuverable than the new Deros version.
Has anyone tried the Surprep 5" (or 6") Surge Random Orbit (DA) sanders? Especially anyone who has also tried a Ceros. We have their 3"x4" pneumatic sander it's great.
I know the Festool groupies will chime in, but I put Festool in the same camp as Apple. Some of their stuff is truly the best. Others, well there are better offerings out there for less cost.
We love our Ceros sanders. Never had the first bit of trouble out of them. But Im not sure Im personally too keen on the Deros but Ive never had one in my hand. The price jump is a bit to bear too as the Ceros was already ridiculously expensive.
We looked at SurfPrep before they had an electric with dust collection. I wouldnt hesitate to buy one but havent looked at them lately. Will be interesting to hear what others think.
I scan Ebay for used Ceros' but they dont come around to often.
Someone correct me if im wrong but Mirka discontinued the Ceros and all thats available is the Deros now. They had problems. I went thru 3 Mirka Ceros before i got one that actually did not have any problems. So...lol, they got the bugs worked out then quit making them.
We have 2 ceros and run the heck out o them. On one the controller fried but I think it was a dust issue. we had it fixed under warranty. WE have changed the bearings once in 5 years. I used my dynabrade air sander the other day and after 5 minutes put it down and went and got the ceros. I havent usd a deros but I would say that they are worth it. I dont know about the surfprep ones.
Never tried the Surface Prep. I do have a Dynabrade but it doesn't get used. I have had the Ceros for about five years. It has stopped working three times, one time there were even flames coming out the side of it. That being said Mirka's customer service is great, they fixed it for free every time. I bought the brushless Festool as a backup. It's hard to control and vibrates so much your wrist/arm will get fatigued quickly. You also have to press a button to turn it on and off (as opposed to the paddle) and it doesn't even work that well (that reminds me, I need to put it on craigslist or in the recycle bin). I recently bought the Deros for the backup. It works excellent, just like the Ceros. (now my repaired Ceros is the backup) After you get accustomed to the Mirka sanders there's no going back. I would buy the Deros without hesitation.
I absoluely love our new 5" Ray sander with the on board power supply. The power supply is in the very light weigh extended tail. It's super comfortable and very powerfull. I'm going to replace the air sander in my travel tool kit with the Ray soon.
In both our 5" and our 3x4 sanders, our motors are different than the competition. They are supposed to be higher torque for lower amps. It's called an Outer Runner design. I cannot expound on the differences but our tools are very powerful for very low amp draw.
I think the industry will move toward electric over the next decade. The savings in electricty is pretty huge over a standard air sander.
Adam, We are super interested in the Ray. They are available with dust collection correct? That was one of the things that has always put me off with SurfPrep that dust collection seemed to be secondary?
I don't believe our vacuum is on the website right now. The girl who does it just got married Sunday!
The vacuum was originally designed for Military and Aero Space applications. The designer of the vacuums approached us about a collaboration on a vacuum for the wood working industry and we jumped at the chance.
The vacuum has a bypass motor so it cannot be damaged or over heated by being plugged up.
It has a true hepa filter.
It has automatic activation by air and electric on every vacuum. You can have one of each plugged in if you wanted and then will both work when needed.
It has great casters and rolls super easily.
It's very quiet compared to most vacuum systems I've been around.
These are not plastic toys. The barrel is very thick plastic and the head unit is made of steel. This is the kind of vacuum that last a very long time.
I'm sorry I don't have pictures, but you can message me and I can get you in contact with those who do have pictures and specs.
Just bought the Deros and 912 Vac system. I can barely hear the vac, even with the Deros dialed down to half speed. After the first few days of use, it was a wake up call to what's available. The net papers and pad savers they designed for this are eye openers. A UK reviewer called it. They cost twice as much and last three/four times longer.
The bad news? Using any other sander in the shop from now on. There's a DA in the back on a huge compressor. I'll let those guys have my dust mask and headphones.
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