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Toe kick base

5/21/15       
Tim Member

Thought I try some cabs with a seperate toe kick base as apposed to a single unit.

I was wondering, do you all build the cabs the same as usual or, build them so the sides of the box rest on the deck?

I was just thinking that with a heavy counter top and a recessed base, the support might be compromised.

Thanks

5/21/15       #2: Toe kick base ...
Larry

We use ladder kicks for all of our commercial work. Easy to level and cabinets set on the front and back long frame parts. Plenty strong enough. They are normally covered in the field.

5/21/15       #3: Toe kick base ...
matt calnen

I use the adjustable leg levelers for most of my work. Installers/builders love them for there there ease and the the kick simply snaps on to them with clips I always try to alone them under load bearing points on the cabinet when possible, however, I have never had a problem with the time the side of the cabinet required the toekick set in.

5/22/15       #4: Toe kick base ...
JM

We build as normal, and the legs are recessed under the cabinet, not directly under the sides. Never had an issue.

Think about it for a minute. Lets say a 3' long cabinet weighs 50lbs. a 3'x2' piece of granite will weigh about 75lbs. So you have about 125lbs sitting on the 4 legs, meaning each leg only has to support 1/4 of the 125lbs or a little over 30lbs.

5/22/15       #5: Toe kick base ...
matt calnen

It's not that the legs can't support the load, rather can the box construction withstand it. I generally use 3/4" plywood with the side screwed to the bottem. In this setup, your relying on the strength of the joint to bear the weight, and the occasional person that sits on the counter top.
Like I said I have not had a problem yet.

5/22/15       #6: Toe kick base ...
Bob

I sit the sides on top of deck on all of my base cabinets. I make cabinets as long as possible so all ends and partitions are cut the same length. Finished ends have a face frame attached with a panel to match doors. I follow this same method with my overhead cabinets too.

5/22/15       #7: Toe kick base ...
Dave L

Most adjustable legs are designed with some sort of a lip to support the side panels and allow side kicks to have bit of setback - applied ends could give you another 3/4".

5/23/15       #8: Toe kick base ...
Tim Member

Thanks Guys.

Yes Matt, I was referring to whether the box construction would support the load. These days, that is screws (butt and pocket holes). Anyway, you said, “side screwed to the bottom”. do you mean the bottom butts to the side or the side butts to the bottom?

It sounds like another one of those, ‘don’t sweat the small stuff issues :)

I was thinking of doing the ladder type base but the levelers sound good.
How about these levelers:
Thanks

Rockler Levelers

5/24/15       #9: Toe kick base ...
matt calneb

Tim, on most of my box construction the sides are full height and the bottem runs into the side. I screw the side to the bottem . I use both the metal and plastic legs from richelieu. They have a way better price than rockler. Hope this helps

5/31/15       #10: Toe kick base ...
Michael Johnson

Try hardware concepts in Florida. Excellent product with fair price. Leg levelers are their main product. Use to be made in USA. Not sure now but still a great product.

6/6/15       #11: Toe kick base ...
Harold morantz

Website: http://Morantz cabinets.com

we use the adjustable legs and don't bother with the clips. We trim toe kick to just under 4.5" and slip in place and use shims between top of toe kick and bottom of cabinet. Fast and easy. For tall oven units or pantries with lots of pull outs, we build the bottom deck under the sides. This way the weight is not distributed to the cabinet sides or joints. These tall cabinets are often at the end of a run and the toe kick at the end is recessed from the sides. With a double oven or oven micro combo, this puts a lot of stress on the side walls and I have seen the sides of the cabinet fall without the support of the legs.


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