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Built-in Field Face Frame install or prefab?

1/26/16       
Michael Member

I usually build cabinets but have been diversifying my business recently. A client of mine wants a built in constructed. It has to be inset into a space created by an outside wall and a rather unfortunate vertical mechanical soffit. The design calls for a row of base cabinets to go flush to the wall and then a doubled stack on each side of bookcases giving it a pillared look. The bookcases will be flush in the front and not resting on a countertop. In the center is a countertop and a spanning bookcase.

My question is how does everyone do this? A lot of the pictures I have come across seem to have a seamless joining of the faceframe stiles on built in bookcases. I'm thinking these are cabinets built on site vs prefabbed and finished in the shop. I would rather prefab them and deliver finished and ready for scribes and install versus bothering with installing the face frames there. Is that a normal solution or is it going to detract from the look? Thanks in advance.

1/26/16       #2: Built-in Field Face Frame install o ...
Matt Calnen

I am having a hard time understanding what the space, and the cabinetry looks like. Could you post a pic of your plan? I do built ins as my bread and butter. About half are field finished, and half are prefinished in the paint room. I usually lobby for one or the other depending on the complexity of the install and the budget.

1/26/16       #3: Built-in Field Face Frame install o ...
Michael

Thanks for the response. Here is the conceptual drawing I drafted for design approval. This unit fits into an alcove - One side is the outside wall and the other is a portion of the wall that juts out around mechanical stuff behind the wall.


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1/26/16       #4: Built-in Field Face Frame install o ...
Matt Calnen

I would either bump the center upper cabinet back or forward to make the install easier and play off the countertop cabinet bumpout. That's pretty standard of how I handle large casework, and make installation alot easier

1/27/16       #5: Built-in Field Face Frame install o ...
chris

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1/28/16       #6: Built-in Field Face Frame install o ...
Mike Member

I would make the whole thing in the shop. The bottom cabinets will be 3 units with a large scribe on the face frame were it meets the wall on the left and right. Put those 2 in first leaving the exact space needed for the center unit. The center unit looks like it is bumped out from the other side cabinets. Use a base grid, some guys on here call it a ladder system to rest the bottom units on. Then do something similar with a scribe for the top bookcases and hide the joint were the middle section is joined with molding. Bring it all together with crown and base board. That's how i would do it.


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