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Shop vac to clean shop

9/21/18       
Harold morantz

Website: http://www.morantzcabinets.com

We just had our annual fire inspection. Seems every year they come up with new stuff. We have been using a ridged vaccum to clean shop each day. It’s a big one but does not say industrial use, they want us to get an industrial vaccum, have not been able to find one. Any ideas ? Does such a thing exist. They do not suggest any brand but say it has to be rated for a wood shop.
I was thinking of adding a 100ft Jose adapter to my 5 hp dust collector . Any info will be appreciated.

9/21/18       #2: Shop vac to clean shop ...
Bill Member

I would push it in a corner and tell them you sweep.

9/21/18       #3: Shop vac to clean shop ...
MarkB Member

I would contest the inspectors conclusion and ask for direct input.

Its not to stay you should start a war but I wouldnt in any way allow myself to be steamrolled.

I walk into shops weekly that have 6" of dust and chips piled up under the difficult to get to spots under stationary tools, outfeed tables, and so on.

In our small shop we clean and vac multiple times a week and usually at least once every other week we will blow the entire shop down with air, electric leaf blowers, and exhaust fans. We blow it down 3-4 times until you can walk around the shop with a leaf blower and not stir up ANY dust. We blow down screw bins, shelving, open up drawers and blow them out, the whole place.

My shop is not spotless or a nascar facility by any means but its as dust free as can be reasonably expected.

We use the big rigid vacs as well (five of them around the shop for CNC, sanders, and general use). I would have an issue with any prickly (remove the ly) getting on me for dust.

9/21/18       #4: Shop vac to clean shop ...
Harold

Here in broward county in south Florida a wooddhop over 2500sq ft has to have sprinklers. Our shop is 3600 soft but there are two offices and the two saws and Bander are along an l shape and the fire marshal has been very accommodating. He had us paint a line designating machinery area which comes in under 2500sqft, but the rest of shop has to stay dust free. We have dust collection for all machines , but dust dies get spread just by walking and waste removal. They will not make us move as long as dust does not spread. I am not going to challenge the ridged dust collector issue and will find out what they want. The cost of installing sprinklers is beyond my budget, especially as I lease this space and landlord is not interested in doing it either. We process onlyvsgeet goods and cut, band and bore and assemble, no jointers or planets or any solid wood. With large machinery and my investment in electrical I don’t want to move either. The messy shop you describe that you clean several times a week would not work here.

9/21/18       #5: Shop vac to clean shop ...
JeffD

I think your idea of adding the hose to your dust collector may be your best bet.

I know there's at least one company, (IIRC it's called Advance), that makes commercial vacuums, and I'm sure there are others, but they're likely pretty spendy and I'm not sure they'll have a wood dust rating.... that just seems unlikely, but you never know?

With the hose you may lose too much suction at 100'? May be better to have a couple hookups for a shorter hose at several locations around the shop.

good luck,
JeffD

9/21/18       #6: Shop vac to clean shop ...
Leo G Member

Industrial Dust Cobra

Industrial Dust Cobra

9/21/18       #7: Shop vac to clean shop ...
rich c.

McMaster Carr has them

https://www.mcmaster.com/shop-vacuums

9/22/18       #8: Shop vac to clean shop ...
TonyF

Harold Morantz:

I understand that you want to play nice with the inspector, lest he force you to install sprinklers or shut you down. My thought would be ask the inspector if it would satisfy the condition to get a Jet or Grizzly stacked single bag dust collector on wheels. (Grizzly G8027, for instance).

If the inspector says OK, you would be out $300 and you could still clean the way you do now, just have the Grizzly for show, or perhaps even use it, if it suits your purpose. This model operates on 110 volt AC and is already on wheels, so it would be just as easy to use as the Ridgid vac.

I have no formal plumbing experience, but I would bet you can't get sprinklers put in for $300. Keep the government happy.

Hope this helps.
TonyF

9/22/18       #9: Shop vac to clean shop ...
Alan F.

We bought a high tech industrial dust vacuum at an auction (Tesla) for $200.

Sometimes there are some steals at non wood auctions

Sase Clean Air system

9/22/18       #10: Shop vac to clean shop ...
rich c.

Tony F,
"I have no formal plumbing experience, but I would bet you can't get sprinklers put in for $300"
You're off by some zeros. My friend sold his building instead of adding sprinklers. The contractor wanted $10,000 just to put the hole in the street and bring a line from the main to the building. No estimate on what it was going to cost in the building. You can't just run 3/4" pipe. You need 3-4" cast iron pipe and the install is crazy because of the work needed to install that big pipe. And it never ends. Annual inspections by fire marshals, and flushing and inspection by a sprinkler business.

9/23/18       #11: Shop vac to clean shop ...
Harold

Website: http://morantz Cabinets.com

Thanks for all the responses. We do have some smaller vaccums in our install tool area and will just keep the bigger rigid one there and mark it “install vaccum”. I will probably pick up a small portable bag dust collector that we can easily roll around for major cleanup with an extension arm and nozzle to get into base of saw and other places, we do clean daily butceach year they seem to come up with new shtick to make you 😜. There are sprinklered spaces in our industrial park, but the square ft price is alit more and moving is also expensive.

9/23/18       #12: Shop vac to clean shop ...
Gary

Why should it make a difference what type of shop vac is used if it gets the job done? Are they saying your current vac is not doing a good enough job?

9/24/18       #13: Shop vac to clean shop ...
Adam

Perhaps its time to sell your car and buy a Festool vac. You can tell the inspector its military grade. That's way beyond industrial. There is a rumor they use it on the International Space Station...or so I say.

9/26/18       #14: Shop vac to clean shop ...
Steve Member

Gary, the issue is principally spark combustion of all the saw dust in and around, and in the air. Note all the comments about sprinklers.

Also, placing something as a subterfuge is likely to bring a larger enforcement than simply not having it in the first place.

10/9/18       #15: Shop vac to clean shop ...
sibbs Member

A vinyl graphic sticker that says "Industrial" for your existing vacuum? :)

10/9/18       #16: Shop vac to clean shop ...
Steve Member

Sorry, I don't think so sibbs. Such a sticker will be a mil-spec-looking-kinda thing. Sorry I don't have a pic handy. That "Industrial Grade" vinyl sticker is a manufacturer sales sorta thing. I like Adam's answer - have you checked the mileage on your car? :)


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