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End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves

2/22/20       
Stewart Member

I have a bunch of "corner cabinet" shelves to band with the banded edge being on the 45 degree angle (not bevel). I'm using 1mm pvc banding. I can run these through my bander just fine but have to turn off the end trimmers. Has anyone found a quick way to trim the tabs off without having to do a carve job using a utility knife? It takes way too long doing it this way. I've searched for a while but can't seem to find a good solution. Any ideas appreciated!

2/22/20       #2: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
MarkB Member

We trim them with a pair of fast cap flush cutters.

2/22/20       #3: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Keith Newton

Have you tried a Virutex edge trimmer?

https://www.amazon.com/Virutex-M8847-AU-93-Edgeband-Trimmer/dp/B005HPWLUA

2/22/20       #4: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Karl E Brogger  Member

Website: http://www.sogncabinets.com

Jointer set at zero would work well if you have a lot to do.

2/22/20       #5: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Alan F.

We make a rectangle shelf, edge it, them cut the angles on the ends.

Click the link below to download the file included with this post.

angled_upper.pdf

2/22/20       #6: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
MarkB Member

I thought he said end trimmers not edge trimmers. Assumed was banding 45 corner shelves, one face (on the door edge) but the end trimmers can trim the banding to the angled face.

I run those through the bander with end trim off and you are left with a tail each end, edge trim runs as normal, and just clip the tails off by hand with the flush cut banding cutters.

2/22/20       #7: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
MarkB Member

https://www.fastcap.com/product/flush-cut-trimmers

Fastcap Flush-Cut Trimmers

2/22/20       #8: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
MarkB Member

Alan,
Wow, that would seam like a lot of material getting lopped off for a short stretch of banding on the front. When I run these they nest pretty nice with the corner knocked off and fit tight on the sheet.

2/22/20       #9: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Pat Gilbert

Another option would be an over shoot board and a the table saw or slider and a miter setup

2/22/20       #10: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Alan F.

Our guys prefer not doing the handwork and they suggested it as faster, its less than $5 for three melamine parts (top, bottom shelf) in material for a part that goes on the CNC after cutting anyway.

We can't change the edgebander / and exception process 3 parts for hand trim for less than $5

The actual waste would depend on how many sheets are consumed one method vs the other. If the job consumes the same number of sheets either way there is no material cost difference to us. We charge full sheets to a job.

For a NEST it may make a lot more sense as parts are getting edged after cutting but we cut on a saw and then edge and then CNC.

A-

2/23/20       #11: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Stewart Member

Wow! Thanks for all the ideas. I think I will try to go down the path of flush cut pliers. Fastcap says their flush cut pliers won't handle 1mm thickness so will have to find something similar elsewhere. I'm trying to not handle the shelves two and three times over - they are large and more handling usually means more opportunity for damage. I could keep pliers at the end of the bander and remove the end tabs right there as soon as they exit the machine. Now, to find some that will handle 1mm thickness...

2/23/20       #12: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
MarkB Member

For 15 bucks I'd order a pair and try them. We cut banding with them all the time. On 1mm it may give you a popeye arm and they may not last long but other than taking the parts to the saw it'd be worth a try. Or buy a cheap chop saw and set it at the end of the bander and chop the tails off with that.

Little shop made jig and a multi tool?

I'd bet you'd get a bunch of cuts with the flush cuts before they are dull or sprung.

2/23/20       #13: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
MarkB Member

https://www.festoolproducts.com/festool-499896-edge-banding-trimmer-for-conturo.ht
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Festool Link

2/23/20       #14: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
cabinetmaker

We turn the end trimmers off on the bander and run all the parts like that first and get them trimmed while another operates the bander with the linear parts.

Not going to risk time lost on a miscut part on the saw or remakes

2/24/20       #15: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Derrek

Website: http://Www.closetdr.com

The Fastcap flush trimmer will handle 1mm no problem.
I have the Festool trimmer and it works real good, although I have only used on 90s and not 45s

2/24/20       #16: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Bryan Member

we specialize in closets, so we do a lot of 14" deep verticals with the top 45deg chamfered to 12" deep. Banded on all 3 edges with 1mm tape. Those fast cap flush cutters work, require a strong grip. We started using the fast cap flush end nippers which require less effort. The virutex RC321S end trimmer does not work on 45's. I am very curious if that festool trimmer will work on 45's.

2/24/20       #17: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
MarkB Member

I dont own one but it registers against any flat or radius face. There would be no reason you couldnt register it against the face perpendicular to the wall and trim the 45. Perhaps Derrek can look at his and see or do a test/video.

2/24/20       #18: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Derrek

Just ran a test on festoon end trimmer. It kinda works. See video to see what I am talking about. Not sure if festool makes an angle blocks for this type of cutting

https://youtu.be/1-_S57dD68k

Video

2/24/20       #19: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Stewart Member

I have a Festool trimmer as well and, as Derrek already posted, it doesn't work very well for this. It does pull up the end of the banding which is a problem. The Festool trimmer only works up to 90 degrees. Anything beyond that is a no go unless there is some other attachment I am not aware of. Bryan, you mentioned the fastcap end nippers. Do you like those better than the flush cutters? Can you cut a full 13/16" banding in one cut or do you have to "nibble"? Is it easy to keep them flat?

2/24/20       #20: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Ex-Pat Member

I always used a flush plane. Hold the blade flat on the angle, a quick twist of the wrist and you're through.

2/24/20       #21: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Bryan Member

Thank you for that video Derreck! I see what you mean by pulling the tape away. It takes more than one bite with the nippers, but it is easy to make sure you are lined up well. I keep meaning to try a common pair of channel lock nippers which are wider. I will also try the block plane.

2/24/20       #22: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
MarkB Member

The problem with most standard side cutters is the cutting edge has a double bevel so they don't trim flush. They will get you close but you'll still have some handwork to get it dead flush if needed.

I've not been able to find any large true flush cutters other than from the jewelry world and those are all very small or oval jaws.

2/26/20       #23: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Quicktrim

This little puck trim tool works great up to 1 mm


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2/27/20       #24: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Bryan Member

looks like a sturdy little tool

SNX Technologie - L'il Pucker

2/27/20       #25: End Trimming on 45 Degree Shelves ...
Stewart Member

Quicktrim could you post a short video using this on end trims? Very interesting - didn't know this was out there!


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