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Modifying CV designs for manufacturing

9/7/13       
KitcheNZ Member

Hi,
We are a custom kitchen design & build business in New Zealand. Currently 2.5 designers using DataCAD (not cabinet makers), a middle person who translates these to cutlists etc and then 5 people in the manufacturing team (no CNC).
We are looking at moving to a more modern software for integrated design, rendering, pricing (bid) and factory drawings (with a nested CNC in the near future).

Currently the designers may make a number of changes to the design with the client and then when it gets to the factory drawings, it is quite quick and easy to stretch the walls, cabinets etc in DataCAD. Turning it into cutsheets is the harder part and has more room for error.

Cabinet Vision sounds like one of the best options for us, however the CNC salesman is telling us that very few of his clients use it to go to manufacture from original design because it is quicker and easier to redraw in their software.
Have any other companies found there is truth to this or is he just pushing us to get the CNC first?

Also has anyone have any feedback of using Cabinet Vision as a designer (forgetting the manufacturing functions)?

9/8/13       #3: Modifying CV designs for manufactur ...
Derrek Holland

Website: http://closetdr.com

Properly set up cabinet vision and other programs can go screen to machine in about 8 clicks of the mouse. There is no need to redraw in the machine program with cv.

9/8/13       #4: Modifying CV designs for manufactur ...
jody

we used CV for 8+ years before our CNC. I think it made the transition easier as we had already learned how to use it. When we finally made the CNC leap we had a small learning curve and never skipped a beat with production.

I am not a designer, we do sell lot's of kitchens/residential jobs. I would say it does ok as design software. I think there is most likely better design only software out there. I do not render very much anymore but use the CAD section to create shop drawings and well detailed plans, elevations and sections.

9/8/13       #5: Modifying CV designs for manufactur ...
cabinetmaker

Look, you need both actually to do what you want. The important part of drawing in CV is to cut the time of generating the
cut sheets. The step of going from screen to machine will change your business.

We went the route of buying the cnc first and it is very expensive to have someone on the floor entering in manually. Where you are at right now you want the office to post to the floor via the software. It is much faster in the long run to post from the office and have the machine operator pull up predetermined files, tha

whatever you decide, you need to jump in now and get some training.

I also own cabinet vision and like Derrick, a few clicks and we are cutting.

We draw commercial and residential daily and send to the cnc. Yesterday I drew 6 blanket warmer carts for the local hospital and and they were standing up in less than 2 hours. The casters went on and they are about ready to ship.

9/9/13       #6: Modifying CV designs for manufactur ...
KitcheNZ Member

Thanks guys much appreciated feedback

9/9/13       #7: Modifying CV designs for manufactur ...
Derrek

Website: http://closetdr.com

I put together a quick video taking a completed design through output to the cnc. its about 6 minutes long.

You have to be very careful with equipment salesman, they don't always have your best interest in mind. When I originally bought my machine, I didn't want to spend the extra to update CV to the screen to machine. We were programming every part at the machine. Yes we had a catalog of parts that we worked with, and yes we had a lot of them set up parametricly so that we could just change a size and most everything would adjust for that size. I realized we were spending hundreds of hours a year in programming parts. At the time we were running a pod and rail machine. We upgraded to the full CV program and I paid an experienced CV guy to set up everything for us. We were able to output siliar to the video and scan barcodes. Soooooo much faster and it allowed you to have a much less expereinced guy on the machine. By saving money not buying the full edtion of CV at the begining cost me THOUSANDS over 3 years that we didn't use it. I have since updated our machine to a nested base and have made it even simpler.
There is absolutley no reason to draw something twice.

Cabinet Vision output video


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