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Millwork walls in cabinetvision??

10/23/14       
Shawn Member

I am wanting to draw millwork walls for a reception desk and was wondering how I could do that in cv and have electrical chases in the studs...I would like to be able to scm these walls and parts also with the panels applied to them also. Is this feasible or do I need to draw them in autocad and import a dxf file to scm or is that even possible. I know I can use a regular wall and set it to heights that are needed but that does not allow me to scm the walls or parts just cabs and panels. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Shawn

10/23/14       #2: Millwork walls in cabinetvision?? ...
Shawn Member

I guess what I really want to know is there a way to make a wall assembly that can be reused (saved) without having to modify each part in the assembly editor each time.

10/23/14       #3: Millwork walls in cabinetvision?? ...
KD

In Cabnetware I treat these as cabinets. I create a set of parameters for a special cabinet/no kick/no back with the top and bottom that goes past the end panels and set interior partitions. Set the correct materials and machining on the parts, use the full section opening edit to add the machining for the wire chase, save to library......bingo and bam, die walls as needed. Vision is a bit different but close. Hope this gets you in the right direction anyways.

10/24/14       #4: Millwork walls in cabinetvision?? ...
Shawn Member

I did that in cv but when you go to lengthen the wall It does not work out correctly. Not sure what is going on with it. Now I just did a wall with no chaces just to test the theory but still have not got it figured out. I am still looking for answers. If I just draw it in autocad and import the dxf's to SCM I would have to do that as individual parts correct??

10/24/14       #5: Millwork walls in cabinetvision?? ...
KD

I don't know what SCM is.
In Cabnetware I would just set the parameters for the correct depth, draw the cabinet the length and height of the wall needed, add partitions and that will get you there.

If you have Screen to Machine then you have to set up a template for walls, rename parts to the name of the parts in Ware to match those parts.....end caps, studs, etc. add the machining if you want to dado them to the top and bottom plate, etc.

Draw a picture of a wall, name the parts, go through the wizards and create a cabinet style to match how you want to build the wall, name the parts, start a room and make a cab/wall and verify that it is correct in Vision. Go to S2M and create a template call walls, go to the parts tree and change the names of the parts as you did in the front of the house....add any machining and test.

you can do it.

10/24/14       #6: Millwork walls in cabinetvision?? ...
Pdub

Are you on the CV forum? There's a great post about this.
Basically, set up a constr. method to do the joinery how you want on the walls. The "studs" are partitions and unfinished ends. If you want a double top/ bottom plate set top/bottom scribe to the thickness of the material and then copy the top/bottom and add it to the existing. If you need shaped studs for elec. chases, you can either edit one and copy it or you can do a cabinet level Edit Shape from the side view, and all the verticals will change. Beware this method though, there's a bug in CV that can mess with your dados when you do this.
I use Blank Panels for the face and unfinshed backs for the back face.
You'll have to mess around in the Constr. Wizard a bit to get everything to act the way you want, but once done future one's will go quick
Also, setup a specific material schedule for walls to get them the way you want.
All die walls seem to be different in some little way. So I find saving them does me know good.
I assume by SCM, you really mean S2M?

10/25/14       #7: Millwork walls in cabinetvision?? ...
Shawn Member

I am starting to get some insight on this. Yes I do mean S2M I just got in a hurry when I typed it. In a perfect scenario I am wanting to be able to manipulate the wall however I want weather it be straight or a radius. I am not so concerned about having panels front or back implemented into the wall I just want the wall with studs and a chase. Then I would add the panels as needed due to reveals and such might need a doubled up panel to allow for the reveals....so that would be something that I would add after the walls are placed and I would then filter out any radiused panels when I sent it to S2M. I guess the main issue I am having is getting the intelligence correct for all the parts to stretch correctly. I would also like to somehow keep my studs at 16" or 12" on center as it stretches be it adding or subtracting studs as the wall length requires. I think I am wishing too much on that part though lol.

10/25/14       #8: Millwork walls in cabinetvision?? ...
Shawn Member

I am not on the CV forum as I cannot find a link to it! I do have CV support but still no link can you provide me a link to where I can get in? I have all license info if needed to log on. Just can not find the forum lol

10/25/14       #9: Millwork walls in cabinetvision?? ...
Joe Member

Here is log in for forum
http://esupport.planit.com/

Joe

11/3/14       #10: Millwork walls in cabinetvision?? ...
Shawn Member

Pdub How would I get the top and bottom plate to go over the ends like a partion and keep intellegence? I can adjust the parts and get the top and bottom to stretch with intelligence but when I stretch the wall the end stud does not move with it. Do you know a formula to get that to move with the stretch? That really is all I am lacking now. I have the top and bottom moving and the chases made but I cannot figure the end studs to change position with the stretch.. I have searched all over CV's help and support files and still can not figure it out. The other thing is how do i get the construction method to apply to the end studs as well? When I change them to fit inside the top and bottom plates I lose the dado/dowell hole inteligence. I hear if you edit from the end that it keeps the inteligence but I have not found that to work for me.
Thanks, Shawn

11/3/14       #11: Millwork walls in cabinetvision?? ...
Pdub

The ends are actually Unfinished Ends, not partitions. If you Edit Shape from the end Ortho view, all the middle verticals will change. If you need the outside verticals (Unfinshed Ends) to move in toward the center, you can use scribe (I think).
In the forum, do a search for "Die Walls"

11/5/14       #12: Millwork walls in cabinetvision?? ...
Shawn Member

So if I use scribe on the left and right ends from the end ortho view will it then have intellignece once I shrink the height of the ends and scribe them into the top and bottom? I am still lacking on a formula to move the ends position when I stretch the wall or shrink it in length. I have been all over every one of those die wall threads...Problem is the one that actually speaks in a video already has his walls made. and the others go so fast it is very difficult to pick anything up. I have watched all of those countless times. I will try the cribe thing and see if it works for the ends.

11/11/14       #13: Millwork walls in cabinetvision?? ...
Jonah Coleman  Member

Website: http://www.architecturalarts.com

The studs are partitions. Somebody above told you to use unfinished ends for the end studs- that would work but not what I do. I set the ends to End-No End and use a partition for that too. Then there's no formula, it gets put where it goes.

You're maybe thinking about this too hard. A wall is just a cabinet, if you think about it.


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