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AAA pumps electric or pneumatic

5/9/16       
Joe

Looking at a new system what are your guys thoughts on the kremlin craco or titan aircoat ? The titan seems to be a better buy comes with a pump filter and a pulsation dampener plus the tip are half of craco ?one last thing do the electric units work as well example craco finish pro 595 or the titanmultyfinish 440.the are more compact for site work and is their a lot to be gained over a straight airless?maybe you could explan if it takes say 1200 psi of atomization to spray say a waterborne coating like ilva 710 series do you really get a better of the gun finish with the aaa pump I understand you are introducing some atomization air to shape the fan or can you really lower your pressure and get the same atomization with the aaa? Sorry for the long post but these system's are not cheap is their isn't much to be gained I will just use straight airless and flat tips.

5/11/16       #2: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
dustin orth

Website: http://customwoodmontrose.com

I have the CA Technologies AAA, one with a Bobcat gun and one with a Cougar gun. My finish guy said they are the best he has ever used and very simple to manipulate. Got one at the last Vegas show, probably had 500+ gallons thru it already and no signs of wear on the tips yet. I think the tips are $60, maybe. Give them a call, very knowledgeable people who are nice to deal with.

5/11/16       #3: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
Joe

Thanks for the reply . ca doesn't do airless so probably not get an unbiased answer. I wanted to here from actual guys that have used both airless and aaa .like can you actually run your pressure lower on aaa vs airless seems like you would still have to use the same atomization pressure to break up the material. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I do know that on aaa the pattern is a little softer on the edges other than that mybe someone can school me where is the big difference in the two ?last thing guys that have used the electric aaa vs pneumatic.

5/12/16       #4: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
RobertJ

Get the AAA pump. ALL airless pumps blast out a finish, and you must be quick and skilled with your hand for spraying....must have proper technique for laying on the finish.
If you are doing large plywood sheets, then an Airless might be adequate, but not for cabinet doors and drawers. Just my opinion.

5/12/16       #5: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
jonathan mahnken

I use and airless all the time for primer, colors and large surfaces. When I was just starting out all I had was the airless and one gravity gun. The fine finish tips do not blast out the finish as stated above, as long as you use the correct orifice size for the material. The only problem I have ever had is discussed in a thread below this one titled agualente plus primer. All that being said I would love to add a AAA to the lineup someday when I can afford it. Everyone on here will tell you if you have the bucks to go for it. Graco and Titan are making electric AAA units these days as well which can also be used in airless mode.

5/12/16       #6: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
Joe

Jon thanks we use ff tips and get good results. Just don't get the you can spray at a lower pressure with aaa seems like the tip are the same and it would take the same pressure to make product atomize I get the assistant air to shape the fan part but does that alow you to lower the pressure significantly so if a rep or a sprayer expert can explan how this works I would love to know.like you said titan graco have electric aaa basically a 440 titan airless with a compressor or the same with the graco 395 595 fine finish pro units just don't get how the the air assistance a lows you to run your fluid pressure lower?

5/12/16       #7: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
jonathan mahnken

From what I understand the tips are different. from straight airless tips

5/12/16       #8: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
Joe

Why not use the or make a aaa tip that works on airless the electric airless aaa use regular airless tips so the electric units don't spray as well as Tha pneumatic pumps?

5/12/16       #9: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
jonathan mahnken

you could probably put one of the CAT or Kremlin guns on the electric model

5/12/16       #10: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
Joe

Not sure it's the tip design .I think if that if that was the deal the the airless would have tips like the aaa ?

5/12/16       #11: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
Joe

I'm sold on the aaa just want to understand how the pneumatic is different from the electric aaa systems? Or is the end result the same does one system more reliable than the other cost of maintenance new fluid section and last but not least ca,graco merkur,titan aircoat,asturo,kremlin correct me if I'm wrong but for waterbase you want a 15 to 1 at a minimum 20to1much better the asturo is a 20to1much with a small fluid section equals less material to flush any and all recommendations are welcome.why did you pick the unit that you got price factory support parts cost of tip ect ect thanks sorry for the long winded post and poor punctuation lol.

5/13/16       #12: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
Dustin orth

Website: http://customwoodmontrose.com

Joe, that's one reason I put in my first post to contact CA Tech, they can explain answers to your questions as they are the ones who build the systems. They also will be able to recommend the correct type of system for you, not just a sales person point of view either.

5/13/16       #13: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
Hen Bob Member

I agree with Dustin, The guys at CA Tech are great to deal with. I run 3 AAA pumps with bobcat guns, super easy to use. Once the settings are adjusted I never have to touch them again..

5/13/16       #14: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
JoeW Member

Joe,

I use the CA Tech 14 to 1 H2O version for spraying waterborne. I use the Bobcat with the 409F tip. The F tip is for waterborne It has a pre-atomizer in the tip.. Makes a big difference. This system has served me well.

I did as Dustin said, I contacted CA Tech and they explained in detail what they felt was best for me and why. Just remember, no matter what make you decide on, make sure everything is stainless steel. Some systems are not. In fact when my system was received, the fluid supply line did not have the stainless steel fittings. They rusted pretty quick. CA replaced the hose immediately when I reported the problem.

Good luck.

5/14/16       #15: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
Thom

my Brinks pump has served me well. Some times I prefer it over the Kremlin. Some times.

5/14/16       #16: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
Nick

pneumatic pumps/AAA's can be set to lower pressures and at smaller increments up or down then electric AAA's. I believe the lowest material pressure on the Graco finish pro AAA is 500psi. almost all the finishing I do with my AAAs are with material pressures lower than 500psi. Higher pressures both material and atomizing air mean more overstay. this may not be a issue on-site but in the booth life is better with-out clouds of OS. l have also heard that the electric units compressors can inject moisture into the finish as there are no filters from the compressor to the gun and since the compressors are small and run almost continuously.
If you're spraying onsite with thick material, I'd go airless with a ff tip. if you're spraying thinner finishes, I'd go with a pnuematic AAA, just get a nice 2hp compressor (Rolair)
some moisture and oil filters.

5/16/16       #17: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
Joe

Ok sold pneumatic . Kremlin graco titan bins asturo I looked at the asturo it is a 20to1 and has a small fluid section as on the kremlin 15to1 or is it overkill I will be using wb products I have been told the bigger ratio pumps spray the wb better than the 15to1 pumps ?

5/16/16       #18: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
Joe

Has anyone used the titan aircoat pump? I under stand the the flat tip can be flipped over to clear a clog? And the tip are half the price of kremlin tips.the asturo gun has a reverse airless type tip system sounds good also.I believe the graco can be set up this way too.

5/17/16       #19: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
Joe

Anyone no experience with aaa guns likes or problems?

5/18/16       #20: AAA pumps electric or pneumatic ...
scott

Air assist pumps have over 80 % efficiency, airless are closer to 60%
Air assist have less velocity of product, creating a lot less over spray.
Air assist use a lot less air for atomization.

As for ratio, the higher the ratio, the better the pump for thicker materials. I have a CA technologies 14:1 and it won't spray some thick materials very efficiently. I have a Kremlin 30:1 and it is amazing, best pump I have ever used. Just my 2 cents, good luck.

 

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