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How to make white oak Black before liming/cerusing.9/26
I want to stain white or red oak so that it is pitch black. I used a minwax ebony stain for a sample and after 3 coats it still isn't anywhere near to pure black. The Oak color still shows through clearly.
See the image for the look I'm going for.
I need to use a white liming wax to create this effect. That much, I'm fine with, I've done it before but staining is new to me.
Here's the process I've used so far:
Sand to 220grit.
I applied 3 coats to get to where you see in the second image.
what am I doing wrong?
Use a Black Lacquer or a CV. When dry, a light scuff,then a sealer, then a white paste filler and then a topcoat or two.
Robert has it right, go with a pigmented finish or possibly a black primer. Something you can spray, drys fast, that's self sealing and levels good so it won't fill your grain...a couple, three coats of thinned black lacquer, Thinned pre-cat lacquer or thinned conversion varnish (CV) should do the trick. If you want to go waterborne, you could try Target's black WB Lacquer.
you could also use black dye stain. but if the color is opaque i would lean towards the pigmented lacquer or cv. Also i wouldnt use liming wax OR paste wood filler. Both are more work than necessary. Get some white stain base or white glaze. Wipe it on, wipe it off. Remove excess with a rag with a little mineral spirits on it, then scuff off the rest. Then topcoat.
heres a sample i did that took 10 mins to demonstrate.
If I'm reading your post correctly, it seems as though you are applying shellac before the stain. If so this will seal/condition the oak so that it will not take the stain.
Rusty has it.
You need to stain before your seal coat.
Using a wiping stain will only take you so far towards your black base colour. If you need darker than the stain applied before the sealer, you need to look at adding a dye.
If you dont care to have the translucency of the stain, as others have said, a black primer is the easiest.
Looking at the pic you are trying to achieve, I would spray a black primer, seal, white glaze, then topcoat.
I wanted a black finish on oak also I wanted the grain of the oak. The trouble with any stain I tried either had a purple or grey or green color coming through.