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Which turbine air gun to look at?10/24
Just picked up an Apollo 800 turbine in very good condition and am looking around for a decent gun that won't break the bank for a starter system; I'm looking for something that I can get a few different fluid tips for to shoot heavier bodied paints and finishes. I've been using my old school DeVillebiss conventional here at the shop for years but want something I can take to the site to spray paneling and built ins with.
Be forwarned, good turbine guns are spendy. The four l would look at are; Graco, Appollo (l think Appollo makes a lower price gun as well as a top of the line), Capspray and Accuspray 10 (thks is the one l use and it is also the most expensive).
Oh yes, I figured as much, but good tools will cost a bit more. I'd like to keep it in the $200-250 range though.
non bleeder guns stop both material and air flow when the trigger isn't engaged. Bleeder guns allow air flow even when the trigger is not engaged. I have always used non-bleeder guns, Since the high volume of air from the turbine is never shut off the most obvious advantage for a non-bleeder gun is your not blowing up any dust that may hiding on the job and then depositing on your wet finish. I believe the advantage to a bleeder gun (somebody correct if I'm wrong) is that by 'bleeding off the air' the turbine stays cooler thus extending its life.
You might consider trying one of the Accuspray 3M guns with the disposable tips. I think it's the HG16580. I just bought one to add to my collection, but haven't had a chance to use it much yet. I have other Accuspray guns with the same cup liner system and love them. I mainly got it for small jobs, but not much else of quality in that price range ($190.00). If you like the system you can upgrade later to a better gun.
I switched to an accuspray 10 GP 5-6 years ago and if I had known sooner how good they are it would have happened sooner. Mine is set up with PPS and it flat out works beautifully.
You can get a Fuji at the top of your range but in the long run it may not be cheaper.
I've been using the Titan Capspray Maxum II gun for a few months and I like it. You can find them new on eBay for $275. There are cheaper no-name guns out there, but it may be hard to find accessories and repair parts. I wore out 2 Turbinaire guns over 10 years time, both due to corrosion of Aluminum parts due to use of waterborne finishes. If you do a lot of waterborne finishing, the Accuspray might not be a bad idea. I borrowed one once, and it's a nice unit.
I am sure you will be fine Mark. I did not notice any of the other fellas mention that you are now using a DeVillebiss conventional which a different type set up. The biggest change in my opinion is the air will be heated, I am not certain if they have corrected this in the newer units or not. If they have please disregard. If not be I did the exact same thing for many years with a bunch of systems my favorite was a cart set up with a pleasure pot. Very nice but the hot air still came directly from the turbine, just be aware of this when thinning your materials compared to the conventional.
Turns out that the turbine is an older(1996), low use machine, not a scratch or paint drop on it. I suspect it will probably heat the air. When you guys say
What size turbine? 2-stage, 3-stage, or 4-stage?
I would rule out any gun that is a bleeder gun. A non-bleeder gun ought to be priority #1.
The Titan guns are nice, but the trigger has too heavy a spring.
Accuspray is unmatched. Graco is also superb. To choose one over the other, Accuspray reigns supreme. Ease of use, maintenance, quality of spray, parts availability all factor in and Accuspray is superb in all those.
Apollo 800 three stage turbine.
I have a Croix 3-stage turbine which is the same as American Standard. Or maybe it's a Graco from the 90's. Those three were the same back then.
I strongly push a non-bleeder gun. I have both types and it makes a huge difference. For me it's a top priority when selecting one gun over another.