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Finishing water based finishes

3/26/17       
Justin Lahaie Member

Website: http://www.hillcrestcabinets.ca

Does anybody have experience with water based finishes. I haven't tried in quite a few years and am wondering if anyone has quality results. I was thinking SW Ken aqua. How do these spray through airless guns? How do they spray through Kremlin pumps? Any information would be fantastic!

3/26/17       #2: Finishing water based finishes ...
david zaret Member

i spray kem aqua plus with a kremlin - it sprays great. i suggest the 094 tip. pressure about 30, air about 10. strain it first.. i've found solids that work their way all the way to the tip filter.

3/26/17       #3: Finishing water based finishes ...
denny jahnz

I have sprayed many over the past two decades. I find Kem aqua to be fine when sprayed flat but it has very little vertical sag resistance.

The ones that I have found to be the best historically are general finishes poly and mlcampbell aqualente.
My current favorite is from ICA. More expensive but very high quality.

3/26/17       #4: Finishing water based finishes ...
RobertJ

Kremlin makes specific tips for spraying waterborne lacquers. Talk to Kremlin USA.

Also, make sure you clean your gun and hose immediately, do not wait till the end of the day. Warm water, followed by Acetone.

3/26/17       #5: Finishing water based finishes ...
david zaret Member

echo what's been said about kem aqua sag resistance, it's not great. if you can spray flat, do it. GF enduro clear poly is fantastic stuff, but (for me) very hard to get and 3x the cost.

for cleanup, we actually use Acrastrip. it does an excellent job on waterborne finishes, and it's safe. leave the gun wet, leave the piston at the bottom of its range.

-- dz

3/27/17       #6: Finishing water based finishes ...
Adam

Use denatured alcohol as your final wash. Its very aggressive on wb, drys the moisture out of the gun and lines. Doesn't evaporate like acetone and won't kill your brain, unless you drink it.

3/27/17       #7: Finishing water based finishes ...
vince

Try Valspar's Zenith line of finishes. I've been using it for years and have no complaints. I have Done many kitchen with no problems.

3/27/17       #8: Finishing water based finishes ...
Nick

Kem-Aqua is my go to WB and l get good results with it. Both the clear and the pigmented. As mentioned it's not the easiest product to use; sag resistance and flow can be hard to control. l've found control is easier to achieve using a pot/gun or a turbine then a pump be it airless or AAA.
Also I will second the Valspar recommendation; l just finished a job spec-ed with it and was amazed at how easy
it was to use...it was almost like spraying a solvent product...just spray and go. It does have 275 grams of voc per litre and even has a flammable rating of 1 so it almost is.

3/27/17       #9: Finishing water based finishes ...
Dan Collier

We have been using ICA water base coatings
had lots of trouble with getting a great finish with a 4 stage turbine
We now have the kremlin eos pump with an xcite gun sprayed our first pigmented job last week with it and found it really works well.
we were advised to us 06 tips for water based for a really fine finish pick the tip ending in a 2.
This system is very friendly for WB coatings

3/27/17       #10: Finishing water based finishes ...
david zaret Member

i've heard great things about the ICA line.....

we have the 06-072 tip, and we were told the same thing about how nice it sprays waterborne. while i'm sure that's true, i couldn't get it to work well with the kem aqua. i think the kem aqua is just a bit too thick for it. the lacquer is thinner, and i suspect that tip would be perfect for that, but for the undiluted kem aqua plus clear, i found the 094 tip gives great results.

we're still relatively new with the kremlin... a lot to learn, but what a huge step up from an HVLP.

3/31/17       #11: Finishing water based finishes ...
denny jahnz

I am in the initial process of switching completely to ICA. The things we have been spraying have yielded excellent results.

The sealer we are using is about as thick as paste in the can but sprays well and you can apply at something like 16 mils thick on vertical surfaces without sags. I sprayed a coffered ceiling this week with it and no runs,no sags and even though it was sprayed thicker that I have ever done, there was essentially zero grain raise and it took one simple swipe with a block sponge to make it smooth. Then followed with a single coat of their monocomponent topcoat and it was done. It saved me hours of work vs solvent.
The sealer runs about $45 a gallon and the clear about $90 a gallon. The cost is high but it is reducing my time and labor plus improving appearance enough to make it worthwhile.


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