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white stain on oak

9/3/17       
dar

doing a white stain on oak, usually use mohawk stain, but need a recommendation for a heavy stain that covers more, the mohawk white is too thin , also must be fast dry thanks

9/3/17       #2: white stain on oak ...
Robert Member

Have you considered making up your own stain ? Some Titanium Dioxide and paint thinner is all it takes. You can make it as strong as you like. If you want it to dry faster you could use Naphtha instead of Paint Thinner.

Are you staining White Oak ? Red Oak will end up looking Pink with a White stain.

9/3/17       #3: white stain on oak ...
rich c.

M L Campbell Woodsong II

9/3/17       #4: white stain on oak ...
Robert Member

" ML Campbell Wood Song II " is no doubt a decent product. A brief look at the M.S.D.S shows it contains some solvent....some Titanium Dioxide.... some Linseed Oil....some other solvents.

In other words, nothing special, except of course the price. Those ingredients can easily bought at any Hardware Store, Paint Store and will cost wayyyyyyyy less than any brand name of stain.

9/3/17       #5: white stain on oak ...
JeffA

I agree with rich c. It's one of the best ones I have used. And you get what you pay for. Sometimes. ;.)

9/4/17       #6: white stain on oak ...
Tyler

Chemcraft Frost 825-9101 is a pretty heavy white, I use it pretty often

9/5/17       #7: white stain on oak ...
dar

it is white oak, not interested in making my own, it is a large job and saving a couple bucks is not worth it, does chemcraft stain dry fast and can you spray shade with it. thanks

9/5/17       #8: white stain on oak ...
Tyler

It dries quickly, im not sure what you mean by shade? do you mean toner?

9/5/17       #9: white stain on oak ...
Bart

You'll probably need to do at least a couple of coats to get to where you want to get to. I use GF's water base RTM.

9/5/17       #10: white stain on oak ...
rich c.

I'm trying to make money Robert. It's very easy to add the cost of a gallon of stain to a job. It's not easy to calculate how long it would take to mix up a product and experiment with the amount of pigment and percentages of solvent. It might save the customer $50 on a $10,000 job, it won't save me anything.

9/5/17       #11: white stain on oak ...
Robert Member

Hi rich c, after 35+ years as a finisher I retired in 2015. Making money has always been a major priority be it as the Proprietor or as an Employee. Ive never bought any type of pre - mixed stain, always mixed my own and kept a formula.

Not knocking any store bought stain but I have complete control by mixing my own.
An issue I can see with a store bought stain is what if isn't as "strong in depth " as I would like it to be ?

Gallons of pre-mixed stain can cost upwards of $ 70.00. dar is staining White Oak with a White stain, its not rocket science to mix up a home brew if one is inclined to.

The major suppliers spec sheet for a White Stain, all contain pretty much the same ingredients. Their MSDS indicates... a Solvent or two, a Color and some Linseed Oil.

Since dar has expressed an interest in purchasing a pre-mixed White Stain; lets wish him the best ,and look forward to seeing some photos of the completed project.

9/5/17       #12: white stain on oak ...
dar

Tyler, a shader is when you spray stain after you have stained and sealed, I cut stain with lac thinner and spray with a good touch up gun then lacquer. On this project you can barely see wood, i have to do 45 doors and frames so doing this has to do be very production like in order to make money

9/5/17       #13: white stain on oak ...
Tyler

Oh, well if I was doing it, I'd do a clear seal.coat, then two washcoats of white topcoat. Reduce it 50% and you get the effect you look for. Hit it with a clear topcoat and you're in business. More consistent color than stain anyways

9/6/17       #14: white stain on oak ...
kevin

i agree with tyler. in this situation i would use reduced paint. you can add a little clear coat to the white paint to give it slight transparency.
Using wiping stain reduced with lacquer thinner as a "shader" over sealer is begging for finish failures. The oil in the stain will prevent the adhesion between coats.
You may have gotten away with it a time or 2, but definitely bad practice.

9/6/17       #15: white stain on oak ...
Matt Calnen

Sound to me like you might want to try a coat of white vinyl sealer. Then clear topcoat. It lets some of the color of the wood through, and doesn't fill the grain. Just a thought

9/7/17       #16: white stain on oak ...
dar

kevin i have been using shaders for 30 + yrs
without any problem, you have to use quick dry stains like mohawk, kitchen cabinet factories and furniture manufacturers use this process

9/7/17       #17: white stain on oak ...
Robert Member

Hi dar, since the look your after is rather Opaque than transparent, would it be more productive to go a different route similar to the ones mentioned by Tyler/kevin/Matt ?

I see the possibility of eliminating that shading step you would be using to intensify/deepen the overall color by switching to a White Vinyl, White topcoat, etc...

Any chance you could post a picture of the look your after ?


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