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Dyeing wood all the way through (Ebonizing)

1/20/18       
Greg Aanes  Member

Website: chairsnw.com

The uesed to be a product based on Maple which was dyed all the way through, then there was one based on Radiata Pine, but both are no longer on the market.

We have experimented with multiday soaking of 1/4" soft maple strips in various dyes but the penetration is no more than .06".

Pressure dyeing? Is there any experience out there with accomplishing this?

The longest pieces must be 48".

1/20/18       #2: Dyeing wood all the way through (Eb ...
rich c.

I'd say you need a hard vacuum to replace the air in the cells with dye. Probably boiling hot dye at that. I've only seen this done in veneer. Are you carving it since you want full color throughout the piece?

1/20/18       #3: Dyeing wood all the way through (Eb ...
Greg Aanes

No carving, it gets sanded flush to the table top.

1/20/18       #4: Dyeing wood all the way through (Eb ...
Bob Niemeyer  Member

Website: niemeyerrestoration.com

You will have to consult with people that make UHV Chambers(ultra high vacuum)
on how to do it.
There was a guy in SanDiego that had one that pumped down to -10 atm to the 7th power.
You will not have to go to that deep of a vacuum , but you will have to pull fairly deep to get all air out of wood cells and then inject dye more than likely in a special carrier as some chemicals do weird things introduced into a UHV.
Also get your checkbook handy, my guess is 50k+.

1/21/18       #5: Dyeing wood all the way through (Eb ...
rich c.

Can you just use African blackwood or wenge?

1/21/18       #6: Dyeing wood all the way through (Eb ...
Matt Calnen

My local hardwood dealer used to carry roasted Maple, which changed the color of maple by cooking it. It wasn’t jet black, but blackish grey. My supplier said It also came in pine. I’m guessing this was the same product your looking for.

1/21/18       #7: Dyeing wood all the way through (Eb ...
TonyF

Greg Aanes:

Your description does not indicate the finished dimensions of the ebonized pieces that you need. If you can not use dyed veneer or inlay to give the effect that you need, I might suggest gluing veneer together until you reach the required thickness.

I have sourced 1.2MM nominal thickness vacuum-dyed black veneer sheets in the past; six layers of this would give you a quarter inch, if that is what you need, and the 1.2MM plies should be sufficient thickness to flush sand, such as you would not sand through and reveal a glue line.

Without knowing the specific application, it is hard to be helpful.

TonyF

1/23/18       #8: Dyeing wood all the way through (Eb ...
Greg Aanes  Member

Website: gregaanesfurniture.com

1.2 mm dyed veneer would be great! The strips we lay in are .375" wide x .1875" tall (deep). In use the .375 dim is across the face of the table, .1875 is the depth into the slot, allowing .0625 to sand off.
Does the dye in veneer affect the adhesion when gluing in to the slot?

We went through a phase of using roasted Maple and R. Birch a few years ago when one of our chair customers was making their tables with it. The roasting process affects the wood such that it splits and cracks randomly. The inlay on the table tops does get a small bend into the slot and the Roasted woods tend to pop apart with even a slight stress. Nice look though.

RE Blackwood or Wenge: Twould look great but doesn't that bring me back to the adhesion issues as with Ipe? What is needed is a temperate hardwood with its softer and more porous structure and a Dark color (Walnut isn't dark enough).

1/23/18       #9: Dyeing wood all the way through (Eb ...
Steve Juhasz  Member

Website: http://www.centrestreetmillwork.com

There are no adhesion problems with Wenge. Titebond II does a great job gluing wenge to itself or other species. Have lots of experience with this. The very porous appearance may be a problem however.


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