Total Finishing Supplies

Professional Finishing

You are not logged in. [ Login ] Why log in
(NOTE: Login is not required to post)

Oil based paint will not dry, over tinted?

7/18/18       
Matt

Hello all, I have a kitchen island I painted in oil based paint(customer request). After six days the first coat is still not hard enough to assemble. It has two coats of oil based primer that dried and sanded good. The paint is dry to the touch, but I can still push a finger print into it. A lot of the parts are vertical surfaces so I didn’t apply to heavy or there would be runs. I have the heat set to 78, a fan circulating air, and a dehumidifier going that says RH is 35. I’m wondering if the paint store over tinted the paint? Anyone’s thoughts or insight would be appreciated. Thanks


View higher quality, full size image (4032 X 3024)


View higher quality, full size image (4032 X 3024)

7/18/18       #2: Oil based paint will not dry, over ...
Shane

Your using an oil paint designed for metal exterior substrates on an interior wood island....? Good luck getting that finish anywhere close to not marring for a long time..... here the power of google tells us what your working with... all the info you need is on the TDS sheet... technical data

http://www2.benjaminmoore.com/DownloadBinaryServletTDS?np=productcatalog_d
atasheets/tds/TDS_0235&fileName=20110615 Z235 TDS US OKF.pdf&propertyName=multidatasheet[1].data_sheet_file_en_US

7/18/18       #3: Oil based paint will not dry, over ...
Matt

The paint is the interior low luster enamel for walls and trim. Quite a few homes around here have had there cabinetry painted using this paint, most of them 100 year old summer cottages, and the owners want a period look. I don’t see where it’s meant for exterior metal. Can you specify where in the documents you read that? My experience is 4 to five days of drying is all that’s needed. Thanks

7/18/18       #4: Oil based paint will not dry, over ...
Shane

there were two data sheets and your correct... the wall & trim paint you have is indeed for interior. Other than that it shares the same exact data for application with the exterior product of the same name. That particular kind of finish is going to take weeks and weeks before it is tough enough to not feel gummy or indent with the tip of your nail. period.

7/19/18       #5: Oil based paint will not dry, over ...
nick

Not drying at 78 degrees with the humidity in the mid 30% and a fan in the room...yikes! The only thing I can think of is more fans.
From time to time I too get customers who want a brushed on oil-based enamel finish and for those jobs I've been using and having great success with 'Hollandlac' from Fine Paints of Europe.Brushes out and levels great (sprays great too) with a 16 hour recoat. On the down side the stuff is very expensive $160.00 for 2.5 liters (if I remember right) and even though it may be dry to the touch overnight that doesn't mean it's ready to stack & pack... for that it's more like 2-3 weeks.

7/19/18       #6: Oil based paint will not dry, over ...
Adam

Hi Matt,

You described a common practice in the Northeast. Builtin cabinetry with Bennie Moore oil Impervo. They like the brushed look.

In my experience it can take 1 week before you can touch two painted surfaces like shelves without peeling the paint.

Full hardness usually takes a 4 weeks. Fingerprints for the first 2 weeks.

We warn the builders and customers, but they still want the look.

Did you use any reducer? We typically use Naptha. You might have put on really thick coats.

I would give it a couple of more days before getting cray about it. Good luck.

7/19/18       #7: Oil based paint will not dry, over ...
TonyF

Matt:

I am not a finisher, just a retired cabinetmaker, but I wonder if spraying one more coat of oil paint with japan drier mixed into it might not help your situation.

I imagine the finishers will opine on why this may or may not work.

TonyF

7/19/18       #8: Oil based paint will not dry, over ...
Pat

Instructions say "Do not thin." Did you thin it?

7/19/18       #9: Oil based paint will not dry, over ...
Matt

Thanks for all the responses. I’ve used this product before, and it usually drys in two days before I reassemble parts. I did add 4 ounces of naphtha which I normally do. It is slowly getting better, and I don’t have to deliver till the end of next week so I think I’ll just wait it out. One of my concerns is how much tint can you add to this product, and does the large amount of tint slow the drying time significantly? I can’t find that information anywhere. Thanks again

7/20/18       #10: Oil based paint will not dry, over ...
Adam

It does say do not thin in the tech doc.

I'm not sure how it would be possible to spray the stuff without thinning. They also say its can be used as a 1 coat finish. Likewise we always use 2 coats.

I've never used an oil based/alkyd paint or varnish that did not require the use of a reducer to brush or spray.

As I mentioned before we have always used naptha for spraying and brushing.

The doc confirms 1 week for handling.

We switched years ago to Muralo Ultra wb for field applied finishes. Its a better product in every measure to products like Oil Impervo. Best part is it doesn't yellow.

7/21/18       #11: Oil based paint will not dry, over ...
robert johnston

Reading the tint profile, your Satin Impervo has almost 14 ounces of tint. And the Ultra base does not help, but is required to get the color to match.

One suggestion already stated was to add Japan Drier. Too late for that.

Next time, use FPOE (Fine paints of Europe) in Vermont.

Wait four weeks.....then top coat with above for more durability and a better finish for your client.

Or, use Epifanes Yacht Enamel!


Post a Response
  • Notify me of responses to this thread
  • Subscribe to email updates on this Forum
  • To receive email notification of additions to this forum thread,
    enter your name and email address, and then click the
    "Keep Me Posted" button below.

    Please Note: If you have posted a message or response,
    do not submit this request ... you are already signed up
    to receive notification!

    Your Name:
    E-Mail Address:
    Enter the correct numbers into the field below:
     

    Date of your Birth:



    Return to top of page

    Buy & Sell Exchanges | Forums | Galleries | Site Map

    FORUM GUIDELINES: Please review the guidelines below before posting at WOODWEB's Interactive Message Boards (return to top)

  • WOODWEB is a professional industrial woodworking site. Hobbyist and homeowner woodworking questions are inappropriate.
  • Messages should be kept reasonably short and on topic, relating to the focus of the forum. Responses should relate to the original question.
  • A valid email return address must be included with each message.
  • Advertising is inappropriate. The only exceptions are the Classified Ads Exchange, Machinery Exchange, Lumber Exchange, and Job Opportunities and Services Exchange. When posting listings in these areas, review the posting instructions carefully.
  • Subject lines may be edited for length and clarity.
  • "Cross posting" is not permitted. Choose the best forum for your question, and post your question at one forum only.
  • Messages requesting private responses will be removed - Forums are designed to provide information and assistance for all of our visitors. Private response requests are appropriate at WOODWEB's Exchanges and Job Opportunities and Services.
  • Messages that accuse businesses or individuals of alleged negative actions or behavior are inappropriate since WOODWEB is unable to verify or substantiate the claims.
  • Posts with the intent of soliciting answers to surveys are not appropriate. Contact WOODWEB for more information on initiating a survey.
  • Excessive forum participation by an individual upsets the balance of a healthy forum atmosphere. Individuals who excessively post responses containing marginal content will be considered repeat forum abusers.
  • Responses that initiate or support inappropriate and off-topic discussion of general politics detract from the professional woodworking focus of WOODWEB, and will be removed.
  • Participants are encouraged to use their real name when posting. Intentionally using another persons name is prohibited, and posts of this nature will be removed at WOODWEB's discretion.
  • Comments, questions, or criticisms regarding Forum policies should be directed to WOODWEB's Systems Administrator
    (return to top).

    Carefully review your message before clicking on the "Send Message" button - you will not be able to revise the message once it has been sent.

    You will be notified of responses to the message(s) you posted via email. Be sure to enter your email address correctly.

    WOODWEB's forums are a highly regarded resource for professional woodworkers. Messages and responses that are crafted in a professional and civil manner strengthen this resource. Messages that do not reflect a professional tone reduce the value of our forums.

    Messages are inappropriate when their content: is deemed libelous in nature or is based on rumor, fails to meet basic standards of decorum, contains blatant advertising or inappropriate emphasis on self promotion (return to top).

    Libel:   Posts which defame an individual or organization, or employ a tone which can be viewed as malicious in nature. Words, pictures, or cartoons which expose a person or organization to public hatred, shame, disgrace, or ridicule, or induce an ill opinion of a person or organization, are libelous.

    Improper Decorum:   Posts which are profane, inciting, disrespectful or uncivil in tone, or maliciously worded. This also includes the venting of unsubstantiated opinions. Such messages do little to illuminate a given topic, and often have the opposite effect. Constructive criticism is acceptable (return to top).

    Advertising:   The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not an advertising venue. Companies participating in a Forum discussion should provide specific answers to posted questions. WOODWEB suggests that businesses include an appropriately crafted signature in order to identify their company. A well meaning post that seems to be on-topic but contains a product reference may do your business more harm than good in the Forum environment. Forum users may perceive your references to specific products as unsolicited advertising (spam) and consciously avoid your web site or services. A well-crafted signature is an appropriate way to advertise your services that will not offend potential customers. Signatures should be limited to 4-6 lines, and may contain information that identifies the type of business you're in, your URL and email address (return to top).

    Repeated Forum Abuse: Forum participants who repeatedly fail to follow WOODWEB's Forum Guidelines may encounter difficulty when attempting to post messages.

    There are often situations when the original message asks for opinions: "What is the best widget for my type of shop?". To a certain extent, the person posting the message is responsible for including specific questions within the message. An open ended question (like the one above) invites responses that may read as sales pitches. WOODWEB suggests that companies responding to such a question provide detailed and substantive replies rather than responses that read as a one-sided product promotion. It has been WOODWEB's experience that substantive responses are held in higher regard by our readers (return to top).

    The staff of WOODWEB assume no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or outcome of any posting transmitted at WOODWEB's Message Boards. Participants should undertake the use of machinery, materials and methods discussed at WOODWEB's Message Boards after considerate evaluation, and at their own risk. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages it deems inappropriate. (return to top)


  • Forum Posting Help
    Your Name The name you enter in this field will be the name that appears with your post or response (return to form).
    Your Website Personal or business website links must point to the author's website. Inappropriate links will be removed without notice, and at WOODWEB's sole discretion. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links it deems inappropriate. (return to form)
    E-Mail Address Your e-mail address will not be publicly viewable. Forum participants will be able to contact you using a contact link (included with your post) that is substituted for your actual address. You must include a valid email address in this field. (return to form)
    Subject Subject may be edited for length and clarity. Subject lines should provide an indication of the content of your post. (return to form)
    Thread Related Link and Image Guidelines Thread Related Links posted at WOODWEB's Forums and Exchanges should point to locations that provide supporting information for the topic being discussed in the current message thread. The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not to serve as an advertising venue. A Thread Related Link that directs visitors to an area with inappropriate content will be removed. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links or images it deems inappropriate. (return to form)
    Thread Related File Uploads Thread Related Files posted at WOODWEB's Forums and Exchanges should provide supporting information for the topic being discussed in the current message thread. Video Files: acceptable video formats are: .MOV .AVI .WMV .MPEG .MPG .MP4 (Image Upload Tips)   If you encounter any difficulty when uploading video files, E-mail WOODWEB for assistance. The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not to serve as an advertising venue. A Thread Related File that contains inappropriate content will be removed, and uploaded files that are not directly related to the message thread will be removed. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links, files, or images it deems inappropriate. (return to form)