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Installing over wood paneling

3/14/14       
Tony

What approach/method would you use or what would you do different from your normal process when installing Alder, face frame cabinets where the walls are covered with solid, t&g cypress run on the horizontal? I have installed in cabins numerous times without any probs but the implications of the wood walls and the solid cabinets, moulding, panels, etc moving has started a discussion in the shop re: steps we should take to keep things level. I know you guys can shed light on this subject. The doors are solid alder, 3" frames, solid recessed panels. Cases are maple and birch, pre-finished ply. Walls as well as floors are solid t&g cypress. 2 full hgt pantry/oven cabs. Staggered hgts 90-96". Solid alder crown around entire. Granite tops. Thanks for your responses.

3/14/14       #2: Installing over wood paneling ...
Adam

Fasten directly to the studs. The wall covering is irrelevant. I would not trust a 3/4" t&g wall unless you used a pile of screws to fasten the cabinets to the walls.

3/16/14       #3: Installing over wood paneling ...
Chris

Personally, I would install the same as if it were drywall.

3/16/14       #4: Installing over wood paneling ...
Tony

Yeah, I wouldn't consider just screwing to the t&g. We have, however, been debating the possibility of the horizontal sheeting/paneling expanding and contracting and thereby causing the cabinets to do the same-or need to. Either rising (at least in the back where the cab is screwed to the wall), causing problems with the granite tops or perhaps some problem where a smaller wall cabinet is screwed to the wall as well as to the side of a tall cab/vertical panel, etc. Have never HAD this problem, but have also never really given it a lot of thought.

3/16/14       #5: Installing over wood paneling ...
Tony

Probably just overthinking it, I guess?

3/17/14       #6: Installing over wood paneling ...
antss

You're not overthinking anything. Those panels are certainly going to move. The question is how much ?

Just bore a vertical slot in the backs and fasten with a large washer head screw like fastcap has.

Be sure not to countersink them though.

3/17/14       #7: Installing over wood paneling ...
D Brown

Could hang them on French cleats.

3/17/14       #8: Installing over wood paneling ...
antss

^^^^^
That's not practical for the base cabinets !

3/17/14       #9: Installing over wood paneling ...
mike

oversize clearance holes through the paneling...

3/17/14       #10: Installing over wood paneling ...
chuck crawford

I would treat it just like drywall over studs assuming the T&G is applied to standard stud walls. The T&G will move on an individual basis and shouldn't affect anything. Not like a solid log wall where you have to provide for settling. Those studs don't care whats between them and your cabinets. IMO

3/17/14       #11: Installing over wood paneling ...
antss

Chuck - the studs won't care , but the door reveals and drawer alignment sure will. Especially if they are inset.

 

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