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Laminating for panels and cabinet doors

6/26/15       
SB Member

Hi,

We are purchasing a nesting table and edge bander for production of cabinet doors of HPL, acrylic, and high gloss laminates. We were thinking about purchasing a Barbaren single sided PUR press as well so we can laminate our own panels for doors, and provide our kitchen customers with laminate sheets, and pressed laminates. We are looking to produce about 1000 doors a day. Any thoughts?

6/26/15       #2: Laminating for panels and cabinet d ...
Rich

Why single sided don't you need to balance the panels with laminate on both sides?

6/26/15       #3: Laminating for panels and cabinet d ...
SB Member

Yes, I will be laminating both sides using the single sided machine. I will have to weigh out the cost difference of having a return conveyor system to feed the single sided press, vs. buying a double sided press.

6/29/15       #4: Laminating for panels and cabinet d ...
John S  Member

You plan on running 1000 doors a day? Why would you even think of running them in two passes? You double the labor and get the exact same door as if you put a face and back on in one operation. If you can do 1000 doors with two passes in 8 hours, you can do 2000 doors with one pass in the same amount of time.

I would do some research and calculate what my labor savings is versus the additional cost of a two-sided machine. It's hard for me to imagine that it's better to go one-sided and utilize twice as much labor in the long-term.

6/29/15       #5: Laminating for panels and cabinet d ...
SB Member

John S,

The calculations show that nesting is the bottleneck. Which can only do about 1000 per day.

6/29/15       #6: Laminating for panels and cabinet d ...
John S  Member

Would the four hours that you would "save" per day go to waste? Any way to utilize that time productively? It just seems very wasteful to run the same operation twice with no added benefit, just to save a few dollars up-front. It's still hard to believe that over a period of a couple of years that the cost of labor won't be higher than the additional cost of the machine.

It is good that you have identified the production bottleneck, but shouldn't you be working at minimizing that, instead of trying to pace your production to it? If you grow in the future (which I assume you want to) you will have to deal with it at some point. Then you will have to work on the next biggest bottleneck, which is likely to be having to run two passes through your PUR station.

I just don't see the downside of purchasing more capable equipment, that will make the company more productive, even if I can't use 100% of that productivity today. The glass is always half full for me!

6/29/15       #7: Laminating for panels and cabinet d ...
SB Member

John S.

Thanks for the insight. The double sided machine costs about $150 000 more so I was cringing at that. However I do see that costs in labour can be made up over time. My logic at the time was that I could just add a return conveyor and another CNC if I needed to ramp up production. Definately something I need to further explore. Lets keep the thoughts coming.

6/29/15       #8: Laminating for panels and cabinet d ...
John S  Member

Wow, $150,000! I had no idea we were talking that much of an increase. Now I understand your hesitation much more clearly.

My only hesitation with doing PUR one side at a time is the possibility of warping toward the laminated side while waiting to come around for the second pass. So if that time is measured in seconds (a minute?), I don't think there would be an issue. If the time is measured in hours, I'd be cautious.

7/23/15       #9: Laminating for panels and cabinet d ...
floringhard  Member

Website: http://hardwoodfloorsrefinished.com/

It also think it just seems very wasteful to run the same operation twice with no added benefit, just to save a few dollars up-front.

 

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