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Diehl Veneer splicer

10/31/16       
Kyle

We are a company based out of Philadelphia. We run a Diehl brand veneer splicer. I want to have a technician come out and spend a day of training our team on the use and maintenance of the machine. We sometimes run into many issues with the machine operating properly. Is there anyone out there that is a mastered technician of these machines?

10/31/16       #2: Diehl Veneer splicer ...
David R Sochar Member

Have you contacted Diehl? They have great technicians for their ripsaws and can easily show a crew how to do everything, and save a lot of time and effort. I would assume they would have the same for the splicers. Nice folks, good to deal with.

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11/1/16       #3: Diehl Veneer splicer ...
John S  Member

Yes, call Diehl. I was trained on maintenance and operations of the Diehl 89 by a technician from Diehl back in 1989 and have used that knowledge many times over since. Once you know how to overhaul it, it gives you a much greater insight into how they work too.

They are not difficult machines to operate, but each truly has a "personality" of its own. I have told every splicer (Diehl or otherwise) operator that I have trained that it takes at least six months to figure out a splicer's tendencies and how to set it for maximum efficiency across difference species (the settings can be very different for Maple versus Red Oak for instance). Once you "understand" the machine, things will come much easier.

11/1/16       #4: Diehl Veneer splicer ...
John Van Brussel

Website: http://www.veneersystems.com

I think veneer is a combination of art and science. Not sure I agree with the splicing machinery having a personality. I would be more inclined to say every veneer has a personality even within the same species.

There are tricks that I have learned from some old timers who ran Diehl's for many years. Some are real simple and inexpensive and some require machine changes and can be expensive.

Still can't beat them for splicing thick veneer.

11/1/16       #5: Diehl Veneer splicer ...
Charles Wright  Member

Website: http://www.northcreekwoodworks.com

Kyle:
I share your pain. I lost track of how many I have owned, I think 7. We ran 3 for a while, 2 were only being used at a time but we never knew which 2 were running on a daily basis. The 2 we have now were re manufactured by Eric Lozer of Lozer machine. They have composite chains, electronic thermostats, and a VFD inverter rather than the big gear reducer. We rarely have problems these days, even when we were running the older original machines. When we do, we usually go thru a basic check of the lower heater/chain adjustment, the upper bar pressure, make sure the Stainless steel heat strips are clean. you also need to be sure your edge is cut clean and absolutely straight, especially with narrow riff cut material, to avoid hour glass edges that rarely splice well. Also. the mixing of the adhesive, the quality of the spray, the amount you are putting on (less is best), and the moisture of the veneer are key factors for quality splicing. And of course, offering a Goat or some Chickens to the Veneer Gods is always prudent. Keeping these machines 'dialed in' ideally is something your workers can do. Many of the adjustments are very small and calling a Tech is just not practical. Hope that helps.

11/5/16       #6: Diehl Veneer splicer ...
Kevin Jenness

Website: http://kevinjenness.com

I believe Paul Downs, who is not far from you, has a similar machine. You might try contacting him for advice. Also, check out the linked discussion.

Troubleshooting a Veneer Splicer

11/14/16       #7: Diehl Veneer splicer ...
Paul Downs

Kevin and Charles: thanks, but Kyle is my shop manager. The machine we own was rebuilt by Lozer in 2008. We've had a Diehl tech out to make it work better (and it did) but we still run into issues on a regular basis - some of them are very subtle, but others, like the machine simply not liking plain sliced maple, seem like they should be easy to solve. I guess the real question is whether we should be looking at a more modern machine. Any opinions?

Paul

11/15/16       #8: Diehl Veneer splicer ...
Charles Wright  Member

Website: http://www.northcreekwoodworks.com

Hello Paul: The thing that keeps me from spending $75-100K on a new German splicer is the complexity of repairing the machine. One of our customers had 4 Diehl's running all day until they replaced them with 2 new machines. The inside word on them is that they are very technical once you get beyond basic operator adjustments and they are having a lot of down time.. They feed faster, but I would put the quality of our splices up against any European machine
I can't say that I will never get a newer machine, but I think I would keep a Diehl running also. If you have the Lozer upgraded machine, you may want to talk to them. I think you have to look at them like edge banders, we have a $140K edge bander with total computer set up, program storage etc and we are always tweaking things. The main machine operator needs to know all the subtle tweaks to get the best quality. You can't just turn it on and run. If you want, send me an email describing your maple issues, we may be able to suggest a few things to look at. Cheers


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