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Apply Face Frames after Finsh --  2 -- 
7/24
For those of you who use prefinished plywood for your cabinet boxes how do you attach the face frame after it has been finished? We have always built the whole cabinet and shot the face frame on through the front. Then the whole cabinet was sanded and painted inside and out. I was looking into using pre finished plywood boxes and only paint the face frame and finished ends and I am having a hard time figuring out how to do this.
7/24 #2: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
I started doing this several years ago. Our full overlay cabinets areceasiest because all finished ends are applied panels. We prefinish the frame and clamp it using pads after the finish is dry. The floors sit 1/32" low. For partial overlay it is easiest to double wall the finished end. Glue it to the stile sand and finish. When dry clamp to box. Avoid excessive clamp pressure and keep them in clamps 20-30 minutes. You will need to expirament to find what works for you. I reduced my finish time by 2/3 doing this method.
7/24 #3: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Pocket screws
7/25 #4: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
We have had problems with this as well. We build mostly frameless but do put face frames on bookcases, etc. We have a problem with the clamps leaving imprints on the finish, even when we use wood between clamps and the face frame. We use magnamax and have it dry for at least a day before attachment, but still find we often have to go back, tape off and reshoot frames with finish. We do use pocket screws on unfinished ends, but on finished ends it is still a problem.
7/25 #5: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
We tried it, but about every 3rd frame the finish would crack at a joint. Not good when 90% of your kitchens are white paint (please god, let this trend stop soon!).
So, we're back to applying the frame raw, masking the inside of the box and then finishing.
7/25 #6: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
(please god, let this trend stop soon!)
Amen
7/25 #7: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Pocket screws & glue. Just enough screws to pull the frame onto the box. Finished ends get screwed with regular screws thru the end panel. The vast majority of the time we are using raised panel or the like end panels so they need a typical end panel anyways. Never had an issue with a glue joint cracking. If you ever get cracks it is a result of a poor glue joint. They could crack during a delivery. The wood or ply would crack if its a fabrication issue. Not the glue.
Prefinish ply & prefinish frames is so much easier and faster that it pisses me off when we have to spray a whole box that has glass doors.
Its like most things. You need to do it a few times to get the hang of it. Having the boxes unassembled until the frames are done saves tons of space. We do them at the same time as the doors.
7/26 #8: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Website: http://www.csaw.com/lamello/p-system/
I have a bunch of shops using the Lamello Tenso P-14 connectors with pre-load clips for this application. I actually just sold another to a shop in NC yesterday for this very thing. Let me know if you want more info.
Chris
Lamello Tenso P-14
7/26 #10: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
We pocket screw non finished ends and on finished ends we switched to the Lamello Tenso about 6 months ago. Worth every penny. We used to biscuit and clamp. Would worry about messing up finish. With the Lamello you just put some glue on the cabinet and snap it together. The Lamello clips have enough clamp pressure to allow glue to dry.
7/28 #11: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Chris hmmmmm interesting. tell me more plus lmao I am in Zebulon nc
7/28 #12: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
I have seen it done and done it myslelf with blind dados.
I recommend it.
7/28 #13: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Chris I picked one up when Ct saw & tool first offered it , we use it primarily for attaching face frames that have been pre painted . Also with a few well placed pocket screws .
We rarely pop a face frame joint . The way we build cabinet we have no other choice but to finish them this way . Our customers want cabinets as big as possible with no butt joints where cabinets meet .
8/7 #14: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Website: http://www.csaw.com/lamello/
Thanks everyone for the responses - just got back from a relaxing week up in Maine, so getting caught up here. Dan, good to see you at the Vegas show and thanks for the testimonial! Nathan, thanks for your purchase and glad to hear it's working out so well for you. Jack, I will follow up with you soon, but if you want to contact me anytime my work number is: 781.585.4364 x.206
And to anyone looking to start using the P-system (or already doing so), please call me anytime with application questions. I ran my own shop in Maryland for ten years, so I can speak to you on a pretty deep level about what our products can do!
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