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Edge Stop Grooving10/6
Looking to make 5 piece doors with textured melamine and am having trouble figuring out the most efficient way to do the groove for the panels. The pieces are doweled together and then banded all 4 sides for added strength.
Need the groove to not go end to end, only where the center panel will slide in.
Need a setup that will work for high production.
Tenon the rail ends, you can still dowel if you want to.That way you can run the groove all the way.
The rail ends get edge banded, so tenoning them is not an option.
Unfortunately (because they're pricey), the best solution for precise stopped edge routes is a horizontal cnc router machine. I don't personally own one but have seen several of them in action. They are fast, very accurate, and will do most any kind of tenon or groove you can program. Might be worth a look if you are in a high production facility.
Unless you're setting up to do a lot of these, regularly, I suggest you consider outsourcing them. There are several reputable companies, including ours that can make these for you.
If outsourcing isn't an option for whatever reason, I bet you could pull off a small project with a router table and some stop blocks.
Horizontal cnc is the only option I could think of as well, seems like a lot to spend for such a simple cut but I have yet to think of another way that would be time efficient.
Brandon - Regarding terminology in D Brown's response: "Rails" are parts that run from stile to stile, so the ends of the rails are always butted, dowelled or tenoned. Stiles are vertical parts that run the full height of the door.
Edge band for strength?
Doors from textured melamine? Is there anything else worse to use? Where is the pride in craft?
Acorn, I was trying to picture a banded rail end,,, was gonna ask for a picture.
I think the below pictures will add to the clarity. The rails are banded on the two ends and inside edge, the stiles are banded on the inside edge. Once the door is pieced and glued together with dowels, or dominoes, the door is banded on all four sides.
I have yet to find a method for medium scale production other then a customized horizontal CNC machine.
David - I know what a rail and stile is, and I think this forum is not best utilized to criticize other people. TFL doors have become very popular in European style cabinets and has its place. Many customers prefer a product that is easy to clean, wont warp or shrink, and is water rated - not to mention made from 100% post consumer recycled material.
Mitered frame, doweled together at the joints. That would make the edgebanding and grooving much simpler, with no need to do a stopped groove.
The only issue with that is textured melamine needs finished edge or you are inviting chipping. Otherwise I would say that is a great idea.
Brandon, after looking at your picture I would still give the same suggestion to tenon the rail ends ,since they get covered with edge banding nothing will show. However you trim the doors to apply the edge band will be the same.
please note the rail ends are edge banded before the 5 pieces are assembled. If I were to tenon the rail ends, that would machine off the edge banding.
So are your dowels going through the rail end edge banding ?
Yes, that is correct, dowels go through the edge banding on rail end and stiles.
Splines matching panel thickness or I/H shaped panel?
Dedicated Shaper? get a nice insert style groover with spurs, couple index marks on a zero clearance fence, wood guard over cutter and a competent operator. since they don't have to be super accurate that should work.
If that ins't productive enough just buy the right machine, probably cheaper than they guy running the shaper in the long run
The suppliers that make these all the time have a shaper head built into the edgebander, it automatically plunges and pulls out a set distance from the end.
Jeff is correct, that is how we're setup. Each of our doors has 16 edges banded. It's a better look than the ones that are banded around the perimeter after assembly.
I’m curious as to what type of bander you are running. We have been playing with doing a line of these doors as well. I always thought id just groove through the stiles and edge band all 4 sides after assembly.
Interested to know how you are making out with these.