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12/22/18       
Bill Ullrich

Merry Christmas to all!
What are you opinions about shape of my soon to be shop? 2000 sq ft. 40x50, 30x65...?
10 ft slider, 12 edgebander, uni saw, various boring equipment, assembly area...

I'd build bigger but thanks to county regs I can't.
Thanks

12/23/18       #2: shop size ...
David Egnoski  Member

Website: http://www.richmondcabinet.com

When I started my shop was 40X48. I had the same basic machines and felt the size was good for the work I was doing at the time.

12/23/18       #3: shop size ...
John B Member

Website: http://woodmanseewoodwrights.com

Mine is a bit bigger, 40 x 60, but I have a separate 20 x 30 spray room and another 2000 sq.ft warehouse, unheated. Best thing would be draw a floorplan to scale, cutout some paper to scale to size equipment. Everyone does a bit different work so that would let you play with different layouts that work best for your workflow.

12/23/18       #4: shop size ...
Leo G Member

More square is better.

12/24/18       #5: shop size ...
Paul Miller

Website: http://MCCWOODWORKING.COM

My first shop was 30 x 100. I felt and still feel 30' is too narrow. I was too difficult to have a good flow.

12/24/18       #6: shop size ...
David Rakauskas

Website: http://csaw.com/striebig

Full disclosure here, I am from Striebig. But this is useful information for startups to consider.

If you are doing a normal mix of Cabinetshop work where its more Panels than solid wood, you could save yourself some anxiety by swapping the Slider for a Vertical Saw. You'd need the unisaw for Miters and pieces over 2 1/2" thick but a Striebig Compact only takes up 5ft of depth x 13ft length and can still cut a 5x10 sheet.
This is especially useful if you go narrow say anything under 40 ft.
A typical slider setup will require more than twice the space.

12/24/18       #7: shop size ...
Jim Member

We recently moved from a 2500 SF shop to a 4500 SF. Work flow at old shop wasn't that great, however, we are also general contractors and about 25% of the space was taken up with equipment for that end of the business. If we had had that extra space I think we would have been able to make it work. We did add a Holz-her vertical panel saw shortly after moving in, which I would consider a must in your situation. We have the compact 1265 but Streibig makes a very nice compact model too. In our new shop, I wish we had the full-sized version. With our new shop we didn't add that much equipment, but the space between machines and benches makes a big difference. I felt with our old shop we were limited to starting and completing mostly one job at a time. I would say to keep machinery to a minimum, use a vertical panel saw and you should be fine.

12/25/18       #8: shop size ...
Mike Fuson

Mine is 32x100, you’ll always want more room but find a way to make what you have work. If you’re like me you’ll place everything where you think it would work best only to realize it would be better if this was over here and that was over there. My advice is to set things up where it is easy to change if need be. Set it up to where material handing is at a minimum. Also to where material comes in at one place and continues to move until it’s finished and goes out the other end, not back and forth through the shop. Equipment that don’t get used as much consider putting on mobile bases that can be moved to a corner or something. I have like 20 or so mobile carts that are used to transport cabinets, parts, doors, drawers, etc through the shop. Having a good clear, straight road through the shop for carts helps. Mobile carts take a lot of work off your back. Probably the most important part is making your set up to where it can be changed easily as far as electric, dust collection, etc. this will also mean a lot if you decide to add equipment. Just my thoughts.

12/26/18       #9: shop size ...
Puzzleman Member

I concur with John B in making a scale template of building design and equipment. When I moved to my current building, that is what I did to figure out if I could get the production to fit as well as the flow of product. Since then I have changed the product flow and equipment positions a few times as we improved operations.

I would suggest looking into 2 Second Lean and other books like that to look at product flow and to reduce the work footprint. I was looking 3 years ago at adding onto my building as I was bursting at the seams. Now, I have more space that I know what to do with without doing the addon. All because I started to lean my shop and product flow.

12/26/18       #10: shop size ...
Larry Schweitzer

I agree with making a drawing and some scale machinery & scale materials. It is easier to move scale machinery around if it is thicker so you can get hold of it. Also each time you do a layout, photo it. It will take several iterations and you will never arrive at the perfect one for all projects. I'd put the duct collector outside. Enclose the compressor in a muffled space. The ideal work flow would be one that doesn't require pushing carts of parts around, & empty carts back to the beginning. Consider natural lighting thru windows & skylights. Arrange door & window openings so you get cross ventilation. Paint the inside white for best light reflectance. How are you going to receive materials? Manually handle or forklift? If a fork lift consider a wider door for bringing in lumber. Some times a U work flow works better than straight through. That way you can receive and ship from same door or side by side doors. How do you ship? small van, enclosed trailer, pickup? It may be very nice to be able to put them inside to load, in foul weather.

1/15/19       #11: shop size ...
JeffM

40 x 60. Don't get carried away with garage doors, windows, ect. Wall space is very valuable and usually forgot. I have 3 garage doors a window and two entry doors as well as a big window from the office. I would go with a more square version as opposed to rectangle.


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