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Whats the minimum toe kick height you've used?12/26
I have a customer with a very small galley style kitchen that is wanting to cram every inch of storage possible into the space. I had initially planned on implementing some toe-kick drawers or incorporating at traditionally sized kick into the drawer (undermount slides sitting on a 1/2" deck on the floor) so the space in the kick would be integrated into the bottom drawer.
Neither of us likes the idea of a very shallow sheet pan drawer if the kick were to be its own drawer and neither likes the internal step in the front of the drawer that will result from integrating the kick in the drawer.
The customer is asking to run the toe kick very low and lose the space in the kick however that only gains about an inch as dropping the kicks to 3" seems about as low as reasonable.
We have warned them that the lower kicks may likely result in a lot of wear/abuse at the bottom edge of the cabs but wondering if there is something else we are missing.
Dishwasher matches a standard toe kick
2-1/2" is a standard rubber base and about 5-10% of commercial casework jobs utilize 2-1/2" toe kicks to align with wall base.
The lower you are the harder it is to get a toe in the space and work at a counter.
I did furniture toekicks that were 4" tall with a 3" space cut out for the kick. That's as low as I'd go. Wearing work boots make is for a tight fit under there.
The other option is to use no toekick. 2" FF all the way down to the floor. It's going to be uncomfortable but they will get use to it.
Personally I wouldn't go any lower than 3" and I would argue with them a bit if they wanted to. But if that's what they wanted, custom is why we're here. I'd put a specific line in the contract that they need to initial that specifies this was done at the client request.
I did I butlers pantry in a turn of the century summer cottage to look like some of the built ins in the house. No toe kick, doors to the floor. They wanted the built on site look. We increased the over hang on the counter top to 2” and added a bed molding under it so it looked good. Anything is possible if the customer has the dime.
Thanks guys. I had floated reducing the cab depth and increasing the counter overhang early on as an option but they dont like that look so we are going to run with the kick integrated into the bottom drawer. Not the greatest solution given we'll have to run shorter slides on the bottom drawers but thats not a bad compromise to gain full access from the floor to the underside of the counter.
Seems like the best solution while maintaining a reasonably sized kick.
I understand Rich's response about a dishwasher however in most of these galley style kitchens we do there is no full size dishwasher and more often a drawer dishwasher so no appliance in the job has any commentary on the kick. We are commonly doing elevated counter height jobs lately so the dishwasher and other appliances get boosted to whatever we need anyway.
Make the cabinets taller. We've done 40" height counter tops.
The typical issue is always standard height appliances. If you go with the drawer dishwasher and a cook top instead of a freestanding stove, you can make the cabinets any height.
We've made many high vanities for tall guys. Nothing like trying to shave in a 32" sink when you are 6'6". Better for washing your feet than face.