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Upper cabinets in a niche space1/11
I’m been hired to build an upper cabinet to go over a built in desk I did. The cabinet will be about 73” wide and will have 4 cabinet with glass across the top, a cabinet with a door on each side, and 3 shelves in the middle. I need help in figuring out how to build it so I can install it securely. Has anyone done anything like this and can offer suggestions?
Desk in the space
They make these things called screws. You find a stud in the wall then “screw” the cabinet to the wall. If your real good, you run you backs taller than the cabinet, and “screw through that area so you don’t see them from the inside of the cabinet. If your real good you find a way to “screw” the cabinet from the bottom side without showing. Maybe a trim piece or bottom panel will cover these “screws”.
Sorry, Dave has me in a satirical state of mind.
I get that those threaded things will help - I’ll probably use them with some French cleats. My worry is actually getting the whole thing up on the wall and having it be the right width (especially on those damned corners). Any suggestions for that?
The close cousin of the screw is called a scribe tab. Google it
3 cabinets needed, left, right and center not counting the shelves. Left goes in and scribe to left side, right goes in and scribe to right side making sure the units are perfectly plumb and true to the face then install the center between. With forethought you should know how much overhang is needed or wanted on both sides of the cabinets. Then install the shelves or make a unit if need be. This will have a joint in the face frame unlike the picture but the picture isn't captured between 2 walls.
Basically it is one cabinet with a recessed shelf area in the center. I would build it as one box and hang it like any other wall cabinet, scribe molding on the sides or a euro filler that gets scribed first.
You're right to be worried about how to do this. Often the corner beads of the walls are fatter then the walls, so the width of the niche walls is greater than the width between the corners. This makes it virtually impossible to get a tight fit if the cabinet is built as a single unit.
If there's a only one corner bead, you may be able to wrangle it in there. Doing it in 3 pieces as others have suggested is one way to go. If you can bump the center section in or out, you don't have to worry about the face frame seams.
If you think you can get a single cabinet in between the walls and are just worried about getting a good scribe, you can take scrap pieces the same size as your scribe tabs and scribe them to the wall and then use that as a pattern to transfer the scribes to the actual cabinet.
I too would build this as a single cabinet. We build flush interiors so there is plenty of overhang on the frames to allow for a scribe even with a closed front opening (agree that most commonly the space will be narrower at the corner beads than the final resting place of the cab). But with some face frame overhang as a scribe you can easiely slide the cab in place angling it into the opening and back beveling the left and right stiles.
My approach would be to make a hot glued and screwed field template of the exact location of the face frame on-site. Take that back to the shop and build it to the template. Done.
Or use a loose stile
The lower drawer units are frameless, why wont the uppers be frameless.
Three frameless cabinets, with a small scribe installed flush with the doors.
I would make the three boxes fit tight at the narrowest spot, likely in back, then just caulk the boxes to the wall just like on the desk.
If the back is more than 3/8" narrower than the front (3/16" gap each side) then I'd start considering some sort of scribe moulding.
You don't need french cleats on something that small or really ever. Do a 1/2" encased back and it will hold all the weight you need. You could build this a couple of different ways. Unless this is ultra high end and it doesn't appear to be, I would build it 1/2" narrower than the opening width and add scribe moulding to both sides. Mikes way is correct, but way more work and in the end a tiny bit of difference in looks. Most people will never notice or question a scribe moulding.
I wasn't really knocking french cleats. They have their place if you're working alone.... The only reason I would ever use them.
Hi all - based on the first response to my question I left this page and didn’t come back until now because I figured I was an idiot. I appreciate all your suggestions. What is actually happening is that I am building it as 3 sections with the outside stiles being 3/8” longer than the case and the center section has middle stiles to hide the carcass. I going to mount the outside pieces and then put in the middle and scribe the outside as needed. Let’s hope it works the way I’m envisioning it
trying to install this as one unit would be a shit show without loose stiles
Sorry to have busted your chops, but I found it hard to imagine that a person that built and fit that nice desk top(and it looks like a nice fit on three sides), would ask a question like you did. If you can fit that top, I bet you can template the two side walls, transfer that to your cabinet, and make a single face frame cabinet for that space. The guys that install my cabinets do this often. Just like making a counter top template only your working in the vertical. Hope this helps and good luck
My experience is mainly in building tables and desks. I don’t have a lot of experience building cabinets to fit into a recessed niche like this so opinions and help are appreciated.
Matt - Thank you for your clarification. I took your first comment as a joke. I’m sure if I knew you I would have taken the second one like that as well.
Thanks for your help. I did the cabinet as one main piece - three pieces put together. The space was 73 5/8 wide, so I made the cabinets 73” wide and the face frame was 73 3/4” wide. The face frame went on after the cabinet was mounted
Nice end result!