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Classical Palace router bit needed

12/14/19       
Family Man

Trying to match an applied molding on a job someone else built. Found the profile in a different size on a couple websites called "classical palance". They are slightly too large- Grizzly stocks it in a 7/8" overall cut with 1/4" bead and woodline in a 3/4" with bead unspecified. Do you guys know of a source that might have this? Thank you

12/15/19       #2: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Leo G Member

Here's another by MLCS

Multiform molding bit

12/15/19       #3: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Leo G Member

And 2 more by Whiteside

Multiform molding bit

12/15/19       #4: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Family Man

Those don't appear to be correct, but it's impossible to tell 100% as no one puts the measurements onto the profile drawings.

12/15/19       #5: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
TonyF

Family Man:

You don't state the size of what you are looking for, or whether you are looking for router or shaper tooling.

If the footage you need does not warrant grinding a cutter to match, and if you have a collection of cutters for beads and coves, it may be easier to use an existing bead cutter to cut the bead, and a cove cutter to complete the cut, unless you have hundreds of feet to run.

It seems that it could be done in less time than it would take to find a matching stock cutter for the entire profile.

Just sayin'.....
TonyF

12/16/19       #6: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Family Man

Sorry, my fault. Should have stated bead has to be 3/16” and overall cut 5/8”. Thank you

12/16/19       #7: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Family Man

And yes, several hundred feet to run.

12/16/19       #8: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Leo G Member

A little bigger than you want but much closer

Closer..... 1/4" diameter

12/16/19       #9: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Leo G Member

Hard to tell

Amana

12/16/19       #10: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Leo G Member

Don't no dimensions drive you nuts?

Rockler

12/16/19       #11: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Bill Member

Have a knife cut?

12/16/19       #12: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Family Man

You guys are running into the same troubles I was! I thought someone had a super special secret catalogue with all the bits and dimensions given.

So, does anybody have someone who has bits made for them? Never had the cause for this before and don't know where to start other than a browser search. What should one expect to pay for this? Thank you

12/16/19       #13: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
TonyF

Family Man:

For several hundred feet, nothing will be better than a matching shaper cutter and a power feeder. Knife grinding was one of my skills that I almost let die, because the tooling companies came to be able to supply computer ground cutters with a two day turnaround for not much more than I would spend on steel and grinding wheels.

If you have a molding head for your shaper, then any tooling company would be able to supply matching cutters if you sent them a profile drawing. You can tell them the size of the needed cutter and they will give you the cost over the phone, before you go through the rest of the process. If you don't already have a molding head, then the cost may be prohibitive for one short run of molding, unless you plan on doing more of this in the future.

You may consider having a molding operation run the molding for you, as an alternative to procuring the tooling, if running moldings is not something you do all the time.

Hope this helps.
TonyF

12/16/19       #14: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Adam

You are assuming that it was made with one cutter. Perhaps it was made with two.

If you look in the Amana, CMT, or Freud catalogs they have dimensions for every cutter(shaper or router).

12/16/19       #15: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Family Man

100% it was made on one cutter. Too many feet and too high end of home. I’ve spent a couple hours browsing anything I can find on the net and it a couple other guys have generously spent some time also and yet we don’t see those measurements anywhere- listed or otherwise.

12/16/19       #16: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Kevin

As TonyF said, shaper tooling is the way to go. Two small knives in HSS for a shaper head should be around $100. Not much more than a router bit and exactly the profile you need.

12/17/19       #17: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
DJS

FM,

Find the millwork shop nearest your location and have them run it for you. If they don't already have the knife they'll grind one for you. I would expect to pay about $75 for the knife, $125 for the setup charge and about $2 per foot for the molding. See if that pencils out for you.

12/17/19       #18: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Chuck Hicks Member

Website: http://www.southeasttool.com

We could do it, but it would be a custom tool.

12/17/19       #19: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Family Man

Guys I appreciate the effort.

DJS, do you have a millwork shop you recommend? We don't have one near us. I'd consider this option.

Would rather just add the tooling to our repertoire. With a 5/8" total cut would prefer a router vs. a knife. If you know of a company or your company offers such an animal please give more specifics. Thank you greatly.

12/18/19       #20: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
DJS

http://www.obwilliams.com/moulding-catalog

12/18/19       #21: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
Family Man

DJS, I had already looked at OB’s catalogue without success. Wasn’t really looking forward to dealing with them regardless. My one and only time something was spec’d from them they wanted a grand for 80’ of 3” popular crown a few years ago and another $800 for shipping through “their” carrier- they refused to quote another. Finally got Oak Harbor to do it for $80 doing all the work from my end on shipping. Not an experience I’m looking to repeat.

12/18/19       #22: Classical Palace router bit needed ...
DJS

FM,

I haven't actually used OB Williams but I thought it might be a good resource. All of the lumber vendors seem to have their own molding division. Continental Hardwoods, Edensaw, Architectural Woods, etc will all grind a knife for you.

I've had a few router bits made over the years. My guess is that any one of the manufacturers would do it if they had an accurate drawing and enough time. And certainly where you're located it would be a lot easier to receive a router bit in the mail than a truck load of molding. Try Emerald Tool or Eastside saw if you haven't already found a solution.


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