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Been there done that! If I could go back in time there is no way I would have bought this software! In life you make mistakes, this was one of mine!
thank you for your response Dennis. I appreciate your letting me know your experience
Will you explain a little as to what you didn't like about Auto Cabinets? The software appears to be easy enough to navigate. I have used some of Shaw's older software (control center) and it was able to get the job done when used with companion software such as Cabinet Solutions and Cad Code.
I agree with Dennis. We bought the software some years ago and it was incredibly time consuming to set up and to run. We ditched it and went to Mozaik and it is a much better program in pretty much every respect.
Are there any 2018 user reviews on Autocabinets. I'm not even sure how to find a year date on this message board? I see what looks like a month and day.
I too have been looking at all the major CNC cad software out there and like the look of the AutoCabinets and the companies response times. I have tried Mozaik and definitely think the price point is great, we were just not all that impressed with their customer service response times and believe the software is okay but far from great. I know it's hard when you have played around with high dollar software like Cabinet Vision. It's like CV has the most up to date UI.
I believe Dennis is the gentlemen that I spoke with who had a problem with Autocabinets and had switched to KCD. I have to believe that Autocabinets has worked most of the bugs out since their original software version.
Thanks in advance for any honest dialog...
Thanks Dennis! I like a lot of about KCD and had it narrowed down between them and Cabinet Vision. What machine are you using it with? I picked up a Multicam that had been majorly updated to include Vital Systems controls and an 11hp PDS spindle. The machine is currently running Mach4 and I need something that will not be a major issue getting things going. The current running software is a non-cabinet based system and we are working with similar projects as you. So I had started talking again with the Shaw's at Autocabinets and they assure me that they have a ton of experience with both Multicam and their Boss routers run Mach4.
Between KCD and Mozaik, I think the difference comes down to how you build your Cabinets.
I have had kcd for design for nearly 20 years and it is by far the easiest program I have used for basic designs. I still use it for jobs I sell from the lines we are a dealer for. If you have a limited library that fits what they supply in their library, if you do euro or individual cabinets it's a great option.
For me, I gang build cabinets and need the option to configure openings in more ways than kcd allows. Mozaik does exactly what I need and does it easily and accurately. If I was a frameless shop or built individual cabinets then kcd would certainly be sufficient.
Thanks, DJ and Dennis! I have not made my mind up as of yet. Like I've said the top choices are between Cabinet Vision and KCD. The rest are okay from what my people have been checking out. The only one with the most up to date UI is Cabinet Vision, now that is without digging further into the new KCD v10 which I should probably hear back from KCD tomorrow. After thinking about what you guys are saying I will look harder again at KCD. If I was okay with biting off $35k I'd easily go with CV. We will be doing customs, commercial, multi-runs and outdoor related pieces.
Now if Autocabinets or maybe I should say RouterCad since it is a marriage of the two or three etc., can't guarantee what I want, including the post, then they can take a hike. I know Monica stated a new much lower pricing point (since they make money on their Boss routers, they decided to lower software pricing), that is if I pay and in 30 days don't like the software they would refund me minus a restocking fee. I also like the idea of being able to do MDF doors with vacuum forming options.
I also prefer a software that you at least eventually own outright including your libraries and such. I don't like the idea of permanent lifetime renting.
Just wanted to weigh in and offer an alternative that I've been using for the past 3 years. It's called CabMaster. It's essentially the Australian version of Cabinet Vision. Multiple software guys have told me that it operates much better and has more features than cabinet vision which in its self is great.
My experience with the program has only been positive. There is a small learning curve but it is very quick and easy to operate once you've played around with the program a few times. It's definitely worth looking into if you haven't already.
Also, if you're looking for a contact in order to learn more about the software, contact Richard at firstname.lastname@example.org
All the best!
What is it about Mozaik that isn't working for you?
I have done some fairly intricate Cabinets with it and they come off without a hitch. Once you get your parameters set it is a very rock solid platform in my experience.
Hi Paolo, I had checked out CabMaster and another company both out of Australia. They both looked like solid programs, but it's hard to judge watching their videos when everything is in metric and then the worry about customer support being 13 hours ahead.
DJ, I asked my son who played around with MOZAIK about a year or so ago and he thought it would be too much work to create detailed furniture-type vanities and such. He was already familiar with Google Sketchup. I know that their training and customer service was very weak and not worth $75 an hour. We paid on it a few months but didn't have a machine at the time. So we never got to take it to cut mode.
I did hear back from KCD, and they have one of the best customer service responses out of everyone we have dealt with thus far. As the saying usually goes, you get what you pay for.
I haven't cut Mozaik out of the picture yet. If I were to go on price alone, then it would be between Mozaik and RouterCad Autocabinets. But again, either one has to be able to post.
With Mozaik, I'll have a lifetime monthly payment, and RouterCad would be paid off with monthly payments of $250 in ten months. But of course, if neither lives up to expectations, it's a loss of investment and time.
Glad to see this thread getting some real dialog. It helps myself and others a ton. Thanks to everyone helping out around here on Woodweb.
I would say that if you are going to be making furniture style, detailed vanities and things like that that you would not want to be looking for KCD.
The beauty of KCD is in it's simplicity. It's easy to learn, easy to set up and easy to run.
But the price you pay for that is that you can't really wander too far from their stock library.
You can stretch and shrink things but there is no ability to custom shape a cabinet or build anything from the ground up.
If you can't make Mozaik work then Cabinet Vision may be your best bet or a program like AutoCAD
They actually do have customer support within Canada. Also, you can change units of measurement to imperial very easily within the program.
All the best!
Just a quick mention about "detailed furniture-like". I build only detailed custom cabinets, where most required furniture like details.
I tried KCD, Cabinet Pro, and Mozaik. Just couldn't get it done. Never tried Autocabinets. Switched to Cabinet Vision about 7-8 years ago. Haven't run into anything I could build in CV yet.
CV is a great program, but CV knows it and you're definitely gonna pay for the privilege to use it. Shame, but that appears to be their market theory.
Customer Support is pretty good. Forum is fantastic. Cost for the support is the Pitts.
Maybe Autocabinets can give them a run for their money.
Thanks again to everyone who has shared a lot of great info here. This is the kind of dialog that needs to be going on for a better understanding of what may or may not work for one another.
Since it could make a huge difference when comparing, something else that would help a lot is; what version of any given software are you running? The second question might be, is price a significant factor or not. We know CV is about as high as it gets and CabinetPlanner.com is probably the lowest price.
I know a lot has to do with whether or not someone is pumping out a volume of work or doing things more on the hobby basis. And whether or not time is a major factor. I wonder how much time is used up, popping in and out of Mozaik to Sketch-Up, everytime you want to see a 3D elevation view?
Thanks again, Brian! I'm talking with the gang about doing another trial run with Mozaik. I know we had done a 90 day trial over a year ago but didn't have our 3 phase put in and just ended up canceling Mozaik after like four months or so. We had tried the $75 program, and I know you can't get a feel for some of the other features without going the $125 per month package. We did pay for like 2 or 3 hours of training that didn't amount for much in the way of learning as we had already figured out most of the info prior to their scheduled training.
In saying all this, Mozaik probably deserves another shot. They must be getting their act back together after the previous loss they went through.