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I'm looking for opinions/experiences from anyone that had/has a SCM Morbidelli N100 or Biesse Rover K. I'm going to be upgrading my current CNC very soon, but looking at both. I've seen the Biesse in action and will be seeing the SCM in a couple weeks, but wondering if anyone here has had experience with both or either one. Reliability, service, down time....
I'm nesting 4x8 sheets, 95% of the time is prefinished ply the remainder of material is MDF/Melamine and also a little sign work for a local sign shop.
Thanks for your opinions
I have had a couple of Morbidelli's in the past. I have looked at Biesse, but never bought one. They seem to be good mid-level machines. Got a lot of life out of both the ones I bought, but our production requirements at present require a higher end machine. Service and parts will be a pain from both, but they are imports so that comes with the territory. Good Luck!
We donít have a parts and service issue with Biesse
Of course, I demand daily, weekly and bi weekly maint routines with a warm up daily of the drills and spindle. So a lot of self inflicted pain is not killing us
As an example the tool holders are wiped down weekly and I donít hear about tool changes not happening
In 15 years I have had yet to have a spindle rebuilt and I cut a lot of compact Plam and trespa, along with corian and sheet goods our oldest machine, I bought used, and itís 20 years old. I ran that thing 20 hours a day in summer 2018, 7 days a week with not one issue.
Iím on my third cnc with Biesse and no matter the problem, management, parts, service is all in.
I have scmi machines and they have always had the parts and always returned calls.
Iím sure Stiles owners would say the same.
A lot of the problems are self inflicted. Go see a machine in action, get training from the manufacturer. Call and get references.
Thanks for the responses. I've visited a shop running a Biesse, I'm trying to get to another shop with the SCM. I've had good and bad dealings with SCM GA support, that's why it's a tough decsision. They are comparable as far as capabilities of what I need for my shop. I do like the 24/7 phone support advertised by Biesse as I work odd hours and holiday's as well but I haven't heard from folks I've asked if they have used the after hours support and how it went. I have a demo at the end of the month on both at the manufactures locations. Big difference is Biesse has a Phenolic top and SCM has Aluminum. The SCM pump is under the machine, and wondering if heat build up causes issues with the aluminum. I would think it would however if it did, I would think that would have been re-designed.
Myself and a lot of others on here have not been exactly happy with SCM's service these last few years. They seem to be focusing on cheaper sales rather than good service these days.
In 15 years, I think I have been down a total of 15 days between all the Biesse machines I own.
Every single person at Biesse service busts it to make sure you are producing product.
We run the hell out of machines and Biesse is right there.
Problems ? Sometimes. Rectified ? Always.
I canít say enough positive things about there staff
I will tell you time is money and my operators hate me because I demand the maint and proper operation, but at least my staff does not waste Biesseís time with how to fly cut or blame the machine for a dull cutter
I have an SCM and when it is running it is an amazing machine. I have never used a Biesse, I have used a Weeke and I would take the SCM over that every day of the week.
We've had our SCM N100 up and running for a little while now. Absolutely love it. Can do everything we ask for.
We went through the Biesse/SCM/ETC debate for a while too. Did our due diligence. Biesse seemed like a good machine also, but we went with SCM and have no regrets.
They are actually increasing the number of techs in our area, and seem to be investing in service, we've never had an issue getting in touch with anyone.
Trying to get our Biesse widebelt sander serviced over the years has been a complete disaster. Out of warranty seems to put you at the bottom of the list with no call backs, ignored emails and messages, and no direct contact with anyone local. Just the call center.
The Aluminum table vs phenolic is a non issue. And I actually like the fact that the vacuum pump is under the machine. It sits under where the tool changer is and direct vents out the end of the machine. The heat from it isn't an issue at all.
I know others with a Biesse CNC that are happy...but for me, the SCM is my vote.