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How do I accomplish this finish?

10/24/18       
John DC  Member

How do I accomplish this finish?
looks like toner in lacquer floating/separation. You can see wood under stain. Thanks


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10/25/18       #2: How do I accomplish this finish? ...
kevin

wirebrushed oak. dye stain sprayed on WET.
The dye will wick to the grain which gives you that effect.

10/25/18       #3: How do I accomplish this finish? ...
kevin

but to be honest, that sample looks like someone sprayed a horrible toner coat.

10/25/18       #4: How do I accomplish this finish? ...
John DC  Member

We tried brushed rift white oak, sprayed wet ML Campbell toner - didn't work... mixed Toner with ML Campbell lacquer.
The customer wants that specific look on a large unit.
What Dye stain are you suggesting? Who makes, what base?

10/25/18       #5: How do I accomplish this finish? ...
Shane

Maybe try as others suggested.... Maybe weaken your dye color a hair with solvent... spray wet... then drag a 320 sponge across the surface before sealing to burn some of the high spots to give it some contrast..? and I agree.. that control is probably someone's work the did on purpose but it came out flawed.. lol... sometimes mistakes or bad practices come out with a good look... I have to match bad finishes all the time in architectural millwork ...

10/25/18       #6: How do I accomplish this finish? ...
Robert Member

That's what happens when someone uses a Minwax stain...doesn't wipe it all off...and then seals it before the oily Minwax stain is not completely, and 100% dry to the bone.

10/25/18       #7: How do I accomplish this finish? ...
Nick

Where did you get the sample? Is it possible to contact the makers of the sample? Is the sample flooring?...my guess is that it is and if so l would also guess it was decorated and finished with a roll coaster with either a uv cured or WB finish.
If this came into my shop my first attempt to match it (most likely not the last) would be to;
Rift oak
Stain black and wipe clean leaving the black in the open grain
Seal & sand
Make a WB shader/toner with either black UTC or dye. You'll have to play with the finish to water to color ratios
Spray on with a gravity gun...you'll have to play with needle/nozzle/air pressure combos to find what might work...
If by some outside chance this works, it will only work on a flat surface and of course this means no right angled pieces except door/drawer front edges.
T&M and no guarantees would be the only way to go.
If it was roll coated; running a 1/4" mohair over your still wet toner might work or it just might lead to a air bubbled nightmare.

10/26/18       #8: How do I accomplish this finish? ...
Steven

Here's something else you could experiment with. If you have access to lacquer based stains, i.e. Gemini GemTone, get some mixed to that color and spray on a coat to get the overall color without wiping so that it fills the pores and drys on the surface.

Then spray on a wet coat of pre-cat sealer and it will dissolve the lacquer stain and cause it to pool together like your sample and reveal some of the actual stained wood(lighter color) below.

Caution on vertical surfaces though that the lacquer stain might run.

10/26/18       #9: How do I accomplish this finish? ...
John L Member

Try tempering is first with a reagent such as iron acetate followed by an “oil” dye such as a tung oil dye stain.


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10/30/18       #10: How do I accomplish this finish? ...
Matt

Use tinted lacquer/CV (dye mixed with clear) and use it as thick (unthinned) as possible.

I'm not saying "spray heavy/thick coats" but rather "spray thin coats using unthinned tinted lacquer".

You almost want it to be thick enough that it orangepeels a little. At least on the first coat, which is where all your color comes from.

The thicker paint will tend not to flow into the grain as much, which is why some of the commenters on this thread point out that the sample looks like a poorly done tint job.

11/7/18       #11: How do I accomplish this finish? ...
mauricio poli Member

John, the easy way to do this is:
1 - apply a concentrate walnut stain and wipe clean
2 - apply a sealer coat
3 - do not sand
4 - apply a black wash coat
5 - sand with red scoth brite doing the desired effect
6 - apply a top coat

It is the same with solvent or water based products

good luck


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