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Beech Finishing challenge3/25
Happy Monday! I'm trying to get a finish on Beech to match a floor that has none of the amber or gold color that shows through on Beech after the lacquer coat. Currently using a water base spray stain, and then finishing with a flat lacquer. How can I neutralize the gold color that keeps coming through from the Beech. The doors I will be finishing will be mitered doors with a fairly small groove on the face so I'm leery of spray stains that are hard to get into that small groove. I like the water base because I can saturate the wood without shadowing. But the color isn't working. Would a wash coat help so the spray stain would give the color but not let the gold come through from the wood? Or could I put color in my lacquer?
Traditionally, two part bleach is used to make it lighter. Very difficult to use color to lighten wood tone.
So the bleach can prevent the gold color from coming through from the underlying Beech color? I've attached an image showing the gold color coming through.
The gold tones are coming from your choice of stain, no the wood. To test, take a piece of scrap and wet it.
Rich C is probably right, that looks more like a stain problem.
Beech can be tricky to get stained properly without blotching but that color looks light enough that it should be OK.
You basically need to get a sample of what you want it to look like over to Sherwin-Williams or a similar store and have them match it on the beech. It won't be an exact match but closer than you have now.
Your other option is to add some "olive green" to your stain, which will help blunt the orange looking color. It will also darken the stain, so you may need to add some clear (untinted) stain to your mix. But proceed cautiously.
I've successfully used green to wash out orange colors on several occasions. But only with great fear and trepidation along the way lol.
Is green a pigment you can add to the neutral stain base for a water base spray stain? I've never heard of Olive Green, I have white, black, red and yellow.
You need to add blue to your list of primary colors if you want to cover the entire color wheel.
"Olive green" is just a crude estimation.
However, Rich may be more accurate in that you want a little blue.
As for which coat you need to add it to..... Personally I prefer adding it to the stain.
I have had to add a touch of dye to the clearcoat but that's ONLY last-ditch effort to save stuff that was stained "not quite right". But it can work if you're lucky.
Add it to your stain and wipe out plenty of sample boards that go through the full process of clearcoats to make sure your final product is what you want.
All right , thanks guys.
I should have mentioned that your "gold tone" streaks appear to be late growth of annular rings. That makes the color absorption different than the soft or early growth. That's where you are getting the color differences. If you use a base coat of dye, you may get a more even color absorption. Maybe even try a stain controller if you prefer. Then try a glaze to darken if you need it.