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Which 36" wide belt???5/30
I have an open end 16" wide belt that has served me well. I have been getting more things to build that are wider than 16". Tired of loading up wide panels and taking to another cabinet shop to get sanded. Looking to get a 36" SINGLE PHASE wide belt. Does anyone have insight on the Extrema or Safety Speed Cut?
what about a phase converter? this would open up a lot more options (especially for used machinery).
no personal experience but i've heard safety speed cut is a pretty light-weight machine. you might check the hp. aside from capacity, it probably won't be much of a step up from your open end machine. we have an extrema jointer and it is a pretty good machine. the fence needs constant adjustment but it works without issue everyday. it is 3 phase, though.
I really don't want to add the expense of a phase converter. Although the open ended sander is marketed to sand panels up to 32" wide, it lets a groove in the middle. I will be using the sander as a sander, not as a planer. My sander now is 5 hp and has never tripped the breaker.
Once you start getting "real" machinery a phase converter will be the simplest and most cost effective thing you will install. three phase motors cost considerably less than an equal horse power single phase motor. a 36" wide belt isn't going to run very well on five horse power as you current 16" one has.
I have to agree with Bruce. I resisted getting a phase converter for years until I found a deal I couldn't pass up on a 3 phase slider. With less than $600 in a used 10 hp motor, a used subpanel and a converter kit from WNY I got set up. Since then I have replaced my screaming single phase planer with a nice old Powermatic and can take advantage of deals on industrial machines that were out of reach before. I should have done it 30 years ago.
Joseph, you are going to want at least 15 hp on a 36" widebelt, and that means 3 phase. No doubt you can find a 10 hp unit, but you will struggle with its limitations. Sanders are power hogs- get as heavy a unit as your wallet and power service will accommodate.
Found out I need to recable my shop since I only have 100 amp service. Machine dealer says I would need 200 amp service to run phase converter big enough for wide belt.
Interesting…I’m also researching a widebelt sander. I have a single phase 100amp service, but multiple 3 phase machines. My electrical tech said no problem running a 15hp 3 phase sander, along with the ancillary equipment (lights, small dust collector, radio, etc.), with a variable frequency drive (VFD). I would also have the benefit of a soft start, so no big power surges.
I was told a 15 HP (compatible with 100 amp service) phase converter will start a 20 HP motor, but that sounds like future failure to me. There is a reason electrical components have capacity ratings. If I were to go to the effort of bringing the service up to 200 amp, and go the route of a phase converter I would then look at machines that start at 20 HP.
I agree with the others and just went through this process. I have a 200 amp service but my 20hp phase perfect digital converter runs off a 70 amp circuit. Don't know if the rotary converters draw a higher amp load but they are less expensive. My sander is a 15hp Timesavers 37" and suits my needs as I strictly use it as a sander. When I follow the sanding schedule Adam West recommends with each grit I've had no issues and the machine performs well. I call BS on running a 20hp with a 15hp converter. Will it?...Maybe, but I could also make a living selling crack on the corner, doesn't mean it's a good idea. Go to the source and talk to the folks that know and build converters. Kevin's right, don't skimp on a lightweight, underpowered machine just to get one in the door, they are huge power hogs.
I had a 20hp phase converter running a 36" scmi widebelt. It did the job but not very efficiently.. Once that machine was hooked up to 3phase directly it used half the amps at "no Load". It has a 18hp motor. I wouldn't go any less of a motor on a 36" widebelt
I have a 37 in Sanya wide belt. I had an American Rotary 20 hp RPC that I ran a slider and DC on. The slider is 9 hp and the DC is 5 hp. Never had a problem. I bought a 37 in Sanya that has an 18 hp motor. When I contacted AMERICAN ROTARYto determine if the RPC would handle the widebelt and DC . The stated that due to the heavy start up current draw with a widebelt that 20 hp may not be strong enough. I bought another 20 hp RPC and it works great. Both RPC are fed by 60 amp breakers on my single phase panel. My single phase panel is only 100 amp. I have been running this set up for 7 yrs. The second is only used when I use the wide belt