Collecting from Clients

      Sometimes it can be pretty tough to get that check. January 26, 2008

Question
I'm currently wrapping up a large kitchen I built. The total kitchen was about $35,000. I received half down and second payment when cabinets arrived. The problem is, there was about $10,000 in add-ons and I have a few punchlist items remaining, but the customer is tapped out. This is a 2 million dollar home. They (each) bring in over six figures a year. I have done work for them for about 6 years and they are very easy to deal with. He wants to pay here and there as I wrap up, but I am hurting financially and need the money for my rent and bills. He would like to add on crown around the room and shoe moulding, but he still hasn't paid what he owes. What would you do? Do I get angry and lose the customer for future work and referrals, or do I just sit and grind my teeth as I complete the job with very little enthusiasm? This seems to happen to me often at the end of the job.

Forum Responses
(Business and Management Forum)
From contributor M:
You have to tell them it has nothing to do with being angry or spiteful, but a business decision that you won't do any more work for them until their bill is paid off. I'll bet you that the bills they can't put off, such as mortgage, cars, utilities, etc. have been paid on time. They are choosing to put you last - don't let them have that choice.



From contributor G:
Money owed is money owed... period. Do not finance clients. Tell them you understand their problems, but your business is the same as any. Payment due as billed.


From contributor D:
We all have been where you are, usually in our early business experiences, but it crops up no matter how long you have been at it - you are not alone. There are things you should put into place to minimize this happening in the future, but nothing guarantees no troubles.

However, the sooner you take control of it with this client, the better off you will be. Won't necessarily get you out of the immediate bind, but you do not want to get in deeper. You need to recognize the new add-ons as a carrot ploy to keep you on board, and unpaid. Do not let your anger show, but require a sit down with the client and have your documentation to go over all that has taken place to date. Let them know you have to move on to another project unless the arrears or a substantial good faith payment is made immediately. You will come back and do the punch work ASAP. As for the new work they would like done, you will be happy to begin that once there has been a completion of pending work and payments.

If you really are desperate, you could consider offering a discount if they will pay you in full immediately. You may not have another project to go to, but spend your days finding another project rather than continuing. They have you confused with their bank. It is just business. Be very pleasant, finish your punch work, pick up your tools, and final invoice them to date. Then most important, do not let your lien rights expire.

Funny thing with two million dollar homeowners is that many of them are one paycheck away from homelessness. They may pull out the checkbook before you get everything into your truck. If they don't, you are doing the right thing to put it in drive and head for the beach or bar or wherever you can lick your wound for a couple hours. Then get back on your horse.



From contributor J:
Can't give you much advice on what to do with this client. If they've been good to you, they'll understand that you need money now. Maybe you can work out weekly paychecks to get you through?

Getting upset and making demands won't help much, as you can't force them to pay and may only make matters worse, as many previous posts have addressed. For the short term I would have a sit down to explain your situation. Oftentimes open communication can help you come to a solution. Save the lawyers and liens for if/when things get ugly.

In the future you may want to restructure your payment schedule, though. I do three payments with my clients, and so far it has worked very well for me. 40% down to start kitchen, additional 30% once kitchen is built but before finishing starts, and final 30% at completion. This way I have 70% before a cabinet ever enters their house. From past posts I know others do it differently and will require kitchen paid in full upon delivery and leave only installation costs open. Whatever you choose to do in the future, I think it's too risky to leave a full 50% until the end. But this is just my opinion and you have to decide what's right for you.



From contributor H:
I work it this way. Add-ons are paid for at the time of the add-on, in full. This leaves the original contract intact. It also surprisingly limits the amount of extras the client adds on. Seems when you tell them that the additional crown for the rest of the room will be 700.00 and you need the money now, they somehow decide to wait and do it down the road a bit.

Get them to make weekly payments to you while you continue to work there. Explain to them that if they do not keep up with the payments, you have no choice but to work elsewhere to pay your bills. Leave no material on site that is not paid for. Leave key pieces undone if you are forced to leave the site for a while. Don't come off with an attitude. Keep it as pleasant as you can and I suspect they will too.

One last thing. 10k worth of add-ons in a 35k kitchen? How did you let this happen? Some of the onus for your situation lies with you.



From contributor T:
If they are being honest with you, and from your past relationship, this is most likely the case, it would seem that you do not have too much choice. You should meet and try to work out the best deal you can. Perhaps they would be willing to pay a little more since they are inconveniencing you in this way. Be patient and hopefully it will work out to your favor.


From contributor S:
As you state that you have a 6 year business relationship with this client, I suspect that the slower than hoped for payment progress is something that has also developed over the past 6 years. It may be very hard to change now because you are hurting without alienating the customer, which seems like a mistake. With that long a relationship with a customer, an honest heart to heart may be the easiest solution at first, as you seem to indicate slow pay rather than a potential no pay.

Am I missing something here? Most complaints about slow pay start off with some reference to the value of the home and the income of the clients. These inferences have nothing to do with the situation, but usually show a bit of jealousy on part of the supplier (us). I have been on both sides of the custom home building game, client and supplier, and I can tell you it doesn't matter what the cost of the home or the annual salary of the owner, everyone is broke by completion. The smart supplier figures a way to get to the head of the line. Maybe if you didn't still have punch list items lagging, you would have gotten paid faster than you have. The floors and countertops are large ticket items that come after the cabinets. Finish up the installs efficiently and completely before the other subs get there and you will help your cash flow.



From contributor L:
Friends are friends and business is business. Lien the house. If they have so much money, why are they not paying you? I tell them get a loan or get cash off your credit card - pay me or I will lien the house.

Would you like to add information to this article?
Interested in writing or submitting an article?
Have a question about this article?


Have you reviewed the related Knowledge Base areas below?
  • KnowledgeBase: Knowledge Base

  • KnowledgeBase: Business

  • KnowledgeBase: Business: Estimating/Accounting/Profitability


    Would you like to add information to this article? ... Click Here

    If you have a question regarding a Knowledge Base article, your best chance at uncovering an answer is to search the entire Knowledge Base for related articles or to post your question at the appropriate WOODWEB Forum. Before posting your message, be sure to
    review our Forum Guidelines.

    Questions entered in the Knowledge Base Article comment form will not generate responses! A list of WOODWEB Forums can be found at WOODWEB's Site Map.

    When you post your question at the Forum, be sure to include references to the Knowledge Base article that inspired your question. The more information you provide with your question, the better your chances are of receiving responses.

    Return to beginning of article.



    Refer a Friend || Read This Important Information || Site Map || Privacy Policy || Site User Agreement

    Letters, questions or comments? E-Mail us and let us know what you think. Be sure to review our Frequently Asked Questions page.

    Contact us to discuss advertising or to report problems with this site.

    To report a problem, send an e-mail to our Webmaster

    Copyright © 1996-2017 - WOODWEB ® Inc.
    All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced in any manner without permission of the Editor.
    Review WOODWEB's Copyright Policy.

    The editors, writers, and staff at WOODWEB try to promote safe practices. What is safe for one woodworker under certain conditions may not be safe for others in different circumstances. Readers should undertake the use of materials and methods discussed at WOODWEB after considerate evaluation, and at their own risk.

    WOODWEB, Inc.
    335 Bedell Road
    Montrose, PA 18801

    Contact WOODWEB











  • WOODWEB - the leading resource for professional woodworkers


      Home » Knowledge Base » Knowledge Base Article