Consulting Fee for a Retired Cabinetmaker
From contributor P:
I doubt the customer is going to want to have an open ended agreement like that. I would project what the hours should take for different aspects of the job. If the hours exceed the estimate, then he will have to increase the retainer. From this, give him a lump sum bid.
Or just give the customer a bid and sub out the work. Maybe do the install yourself. This way you maintain your connection and you will be the go-to guy for future work or future referrals. Just be upfront with them and tell them you are subbing the work out, and will supervise the job. This will give the customer a "one stop shop" with a trusted supervisor. You may think finding a shop to do the work will be difficult and you may be right. It may take some doing, but the big shops sub work out on a regular basis.
From contributor K:
The only problem with projecting the hours to provide a lump sum bid on this scenario, is that questioner would be working with a third party and would have no control over the variables that would affect the time involved. His best guess would most likely end up being inadequate.
Going back to the trough for an increase to the retainer after providing a lump-sum bid would have me, as a customer, asking, "but you said (as the expert consultant, no less) that it would cost $X and that's what we agreed upon."
Seen this movie before...
With the hourly, customer retains control of their budget and how much time/money is spent on the consultant, while at the same time, the consultant gets paid for the time they put into it and is not short-changed or become the victim of the time-vampire.
From contributor X:
Do like my lawyers do. Charge a retainer fee that is paid up front, say $1500.00. Have a draw from the retainer fee for your hourly wage, say $225.00 an hour. Bill them monthly. The $1500 is held in an escrow account that can be drawn upon monthly. Your customer keeps the account solvent and if he should fail to keep it solvent, you can bill him with interest. Have a lawyer set it up for you. $225.00 an hour sounds reasonable.
From contributor P:
How many times have you done a job on T&M? For me it is rare and when I present the bill they usually think it is too much. Seen this movie also.
The only way I see this working is to project how long it is going to take and if it takes longer, they have to be warned in advance and they will have to cough up more money. Otherwise it is like talking to a lawyer where they will take hours to say what should take minutes.
I think it would be a win/win to sub the work out like a general would.
From contributor K:
In this scenario, I would definitely recommend T&M, as he is not only dealing with a third party but one who he has no idea of their capability and project management abilities.
All he has to do is have the client sign off at each stage of the game with details. Amount per hour is agreed to upfront, and the customer signs off each time with a total. Trust me, they will already know what the total is before you give them the final bill, as they will be looking at the total and doing the math in their heads. Also, it's kind of hard to dispute the final bill with your signature next to each stage of the game (I would recommend a signature each time the hours accumulate past 10).
In addition to fabrication, we also do contracting. T&M is part of the contracting world. You just have to know how to use it. Most designers/architects I know charge by the hour or a percentage of the total project.
From contributor S:
Way overthinking this situation, in my opinion. The customer is adding a few cabinets to what he already has; and by the way, he has already paid you for the time it took to develop all the details. He has offered to pay you for releasing the details so he gets a nice match to existing work. He came back to you. Is it his fault you have gone out of business?
Charge him a couple of hundred bucks and be done with it. You can try and milk it and eventually he will say forget it and let the new guy just match it as best he can.
From contributor M:
You already got paid for it. You're charging again? Just give it to them. It is their property, I think.
From contributor D:
$500. Couple of emails of the details to the new guy and a phone call or two to clarify. Cash money, no problems, enjoy retirement. If they don't want to spend that, let the new guy spend the time figuring it out.
From the original questioner:
Thank you. The customer has offered to pay me for my time to consult with the new shop. Spoke briefly with the new shop already and he needs help applying this custom finish. I am not sure if a written procedure is enough or if I need to physically be there to show them. I will speak with him again soon for the details.
So I think a one time fee for written details for his finisher and a small fee to acquire the architectural details. If I need to visit his shop if written details are not enough, it will be on an hourly basis my customer will have to pay.
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