Hydraulic Clamping Press for Laminating Lumber
I would like to come up with a better way to clamp. Manhandling pipe clamps is time consuming. We don't have the space for a rotating Taylor Clamp. An idea under consideration is hydraulic pistons.
I don't have any experience with hydraulics other than the pistons that lift our scissor lift work benches. Can anybody identify flaws in this idea?
The lumber we are laminating has been jointed on one long edge and is reasonably straight. Our process right now involves clamping every 8 inches or so. I am thinking if we could deliver more power to the push we would not need as many clamps.
Would the hydraulics give us enough push to where we could do this with a metal kaul on both sides of the lumber and just two pistons, or would we need pistons every foot or so like the pipe clamps we currently use?
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From contributor G:
Why make a new wheel... Clamp racks take up little space, triple glue-up speed at the very least and get panels flat. Get one and you will try to sell your pipe clamps on e-bay. Check out Quick Machinery.
From contributor M:
I don't know if this would help you, but I always thought the Plano vertical glue press was a cool panel gluing system for those with limited shop space and fairly low production. I would guess that you could even stack glue-ups on top of each other to clamp multiples at the same time. At a minimum, you may be able to glean some ideas off of their system.
From contributor O:
A rotary Taylor clamp vs other ways is a volume of output vs space issue. I presume your need doesn't require that large a volume as to dictate a rotary. The best alternative is either the free standing clamp racks like the Quick ones suggested above, or if you are tight on space but have a bit of unused wall then you can get systems that consist of, in essence, your 36 (or any number) of pipe clamps bolted to the wall. Usually you want the bottom kicked out a bit so that the boards are less likely to fall out due to gravity before you run the clamps up. There are commercial systems, or you can make your own.
As far as your question as to the number of cylinders you need it can be done with only one if you want. The issue is getting a pair of cauls that are either very stiff, or are a bit less stiff but have a bit of reverse crown in them so that they will spread the force uniformly along the glue joint. (Calculate the number of square inches of glue line times the clamping pressure per square inch recommended by your glue manufacturer. Then generate that much force by your cylinders (the area of their bore times the PSI of the system, times the number of cylinders).
There is no need for hydraulic cylinders. Air will work just as well, for your need. The only advantage to hydraulics is that you can run 3000 PSI instead of your shop pressure (allowing smaller bore diameter) and that it is easier to achieve precision control with a non-compressible fluid (hydraulic oil), than with a compressible gas (air). Neither of those should be an issue for you and you will be spared the expense of a hydraulic pump/reservoir, unless you calculate a need for so much pressure. (Although my family sold the business years ago, may I offer a recommendation for Ortman Fluid Power cylinders.)
From contributor B:
Years ago we made our own pneumatic press similar to the one you describe from Unistrut and pistons purchased from the Hope group. It was not to edge glue but to glue 3/4" x 1" mitered bands around 4 sides various size ply panels for paneling a courthouse. Cylinders were 12" OC and adjustable in 1" increments on the Unitstrut.
We bought a JLT clamp rack like the ones the other guys are talking about and sold the pneumatic one. I think the clamp rack is one of the better value investments we have made. Save your time and money and put it toward a clamp rack.
From contributor S:
No doubt you can develop incredible pressures with hydraulics - 3,000 PSI of fluid pressure can easily develop 60,000 PSI or more of ram pressure. You could do this project with only one cylinder, but you would need some very sturdy steel components to distribute the load. (The Amish and OOMs are good at building things like this.)
Your idea for a clamp would take the same schematic and valving as a simple log splitter uses - it's a well understood science.
The two main enemies of hydraulics are overheated hydraulic oil and contaminates in the oil. Heat is best dealt with by having a large reservoir and heat exchangers. Dirt and water can be filtered out. The volume of the cylinder(s) and the volume of the pump need to be studied and matched - insufficient volume will make the ram(s) move too slowly for your likes. Put a scatter shield in place so you don't spray oil all over the shop if/when a hose breaks.
I think a dedicated hydraulic clamping system would be pretty slick, but only if it were coupled with an rf glue heater - otherwise, I'm having trouble seeing an advantage worth the cost. With an rf heater, I suspect such a system would crank out a lot of volume from a small footprint.
From contributor S:
Designing your clamp with pneumatics might make more sense than with hydraulics. With pneumatics, you do not have a "return system" - when you release the clamp, the waste air is vented. With pneumatics, a small air leak is not an immediate crisis. Hydraulics are more steady, deliberate, and controllable. Plus, hydraulics develop much greater pressures - handy if your lumber is not quite straight. Pneumatics would be way simpler and way cheaper.
From contributor J:
What kind of throughput do you need? My thought is that you need more than two cylinders to properly distribute the force, unless all of your panels are 30" or so long and under. I put in a used 30 x 60 Rosenquist 2 years ago. We average a panel every few minutes, including laying up for grain/color and any edge jointing that might need done. The panels are sized to get multiple parts from each further downstream. Anyway, the Rosenquist has a top platen to squish everything flat, and a side pressure cylinder spaced every 10 inches.
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