Sharing a Shop Space
A friend is currently sharing a shop in downtown Toronto with his mentor. The mentor is leaving and taking all the tools with him. I have a pretty nice collection of tools - cabinet saw, planer, jointer, bandsaw and drill press. The friend has asked me if I want to share the space with him.
1) The mentor lived in an apartment that is accessible only through the shop - that will have to be rented out.
2) There are two "occasionals" who pay minimal rent to use the equipment on the weekends etc (a ex-cabinet shop PM and a sprayer).
So my concerns are insurance and my tools getting used by people who I don't know - is this a good strategy to grow the business? I have two more kitchen jobs before I get the space (I'm going to rent a storage locker nearby). Downtown shop space is currently pretty hard to come by.
Ultimately, the end goal for my business it a 6 man custom kitchen and architectural millwork shop. I know this place will not support that kind of manpower - I think I'd have to move out of the city to get enough space to do that cost effectively. My thinking is - focus on building relationships in the downtown area while I grow my book, then build/buy a space 1 hour out of the city, where labor/taxes/property is cheaper.
I was in a similar situation myself last year. I outgrew my last shop and worse my landlord asked me to leave for insurance reasons. I had been there for quite a few years and so they gave me a year to find a place and I just started looking to see what was available. Within about four months of looking I found a place via Craigslist which was not only several hundred square feet bigger, but also much more suited to being a shop. 10' ceilings, three phase power, etc and the rent was only about $100 more a month than my previous shop. The catch was my last shop was in the city and now I am 15-20 minutes outside the city.
The moral of the story - if you have the time, determination, and patience there is a lot of space out there, and you just might find something more suited to what you need and where you want to go with your business. My advice would be to start looking in places you would expect to find cheap space. Not necessarily in the papers but drive around "the wrong side of the tracks" and look for rent signs. Maybe drive around industrial areas a little ways outside the city. And definitely keep an eye on Craigslist for your area. Since you’re not in a rush to move, you have a very good chance of finding something.
From the original questioner:
Good points about finding another space. Anyone else think I'm crazy for considering this? Am I too focused on keeping my overhead low?
From contributor D:
I think it is a bad idea. I have a shop 2000 square foot and I run it myself with one other cabinet man and a helper, organization seems to always be a problem, things get misplaced tools get out of alignment cabinets or milled parts get nicked. I can’t imagine what would happen if I let just anyone use my equipment and or come in and out of my shop at will. Perhaps you should focus on finding a shop that you can afford and then you can be more in control. It may cost a little more but it would be worth it.
From contributor H:
You rent the entire shop yourself. Hire your friend (he won't be your friend anymore) and everyone else stays out. Your apprentice friend has not acquired any tools or machinery of his own while under his mentors training? Why would the mentor not pass on or sell his machinery to him. Look around for your own place or make this place solely yours. You will never be at ease or free with this set up as you explained it.
From contributor R:
Anyway, I am in the boat as you sort of speak. My shop is 24x16 with my finishing area and lumber storage area approximately the same size. I manage to build some amazingly large kitchens in my shop and actually prefer to do multiples instead of one at a time. For now this is just part time for me but I am soon going to take the plunge. Right now I build everything my self from doors to drawers and the whole 9 yards. My space is tight but I get by.
All my machines other than my General Table saw and my 10' stroke sander are on casters and its surprising how I can make tons of room when moving stuff around. All I am saying is that if you can make due with the smaller space you will probably make more money for the time being!.
I once had envisioned a 4-6 man shop but now just want to stick to my self and possibly my brother. The two of us can pound out quite a bit and there aren’t all those extra expenses that go along with it. Also, with keeping the small shop my over head is next to nothing, heating and hydro is only $250 per month in the winter. And I purchase my lumber when I need it and don't stock pile. In the future when I start full time I am going to start buying doors and drawers and just building boxes and face frames.
From contributor J:
I share a shop. It works great in San Francisco where rents can get high. There is a communal woodshop and 4 people each have their own private space. We split the rent and utilities and I don't sweat about having to pay 2-3 times (or more) than what I pay for an equal sized shop of my own. Plus, the others are mostly sculptors and use their spaces primarily for storage. Sharing is fine with decent people. Most of my tools are worth less than my savings in rent every month!
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