Trouble with Pre-Glued Dowels
From contributor B:
We tested the pre-glued dowels a number of years ago and weren't impressed with the results so at the time we opted to stay with the traditional method.
From contributor C:
We tried the same thing with the pre-glued. I had such a hard time with the glue in the inserter, I figured just pouring water in would be a dream come true. No maintenance or nightly flushing etc. Now we use the inserter to drive the dowels, but insert the glue by hand. We just couldn't get the inserter to work with glue, but it beats hammering all those dowels in by hand.
From contributor D:
We use thousands of pre-glued dowels every month and have little or no problem with them. We use a combination drill/dowel inserter that shoots water to activate the glue on the inserted dowel. We use yellow glue in the vertical part, just to be on the safe side. The only time we had serious problems was when our dust collector was down and we allowed the dowels in the inserter reservoir to get covered with fine dust. They are just tacky enough to get coated with dust and then they don't activate. We fabricated a cover for the reservoir and have had little or no trouble since. This is not to say you didn't get a defective shipment of dowels, of course.
From the original questioner:
Funny you should mention that. When I inspected the cabinets, the dowels were secure in all of the horizontals that were processed on the machine. I couldn't even get them out with a pair of pliers.
All our cabinets came apart at the vertical joints. I think I'm going to experiment with glue for the verticals. I did like inserting the dowels with the machine. I also liked that we could stockpile parts with the aqua pins. If you pre-insert a dowel with conventional glue, it's going to seep out of the hole and dry, and then you wouldn't be able to get the sides flush.
From contributor E:
The Miller Dowel system could be a viable alternative to traditional dowel methods with clampless joinery. It's a quite innovative product that's really gaining popularity.
From contributor F:
Thanks guys. I was considering pre-glued. I just don't see the attraction or benefit of the Miller system here. Why not use Confirmats? With Miller you still have to drill, glue and clamp. It seems more like a hobbyist alternative to dowels.
From contributor G:
The Miller Dowel SR system is just like any tool in the sense that it has pros and cons for different applications. Allow me to discuss the product honestly.
The Miller Dowel operates differently than a traditional pin dowel. In fact, a more accurate description of the product is a modified treenail. This is, more or less, a functional tapered peg. The design relationship between the multi-stepped dowel and the multi-stepped drill bit give the MD an overall net tapered effect, while eliminating any actual taper or conical shape. The significance of this modification is that pegs with a smooth taper have a wedge effect that tends to split wood, plywood, MDF, etc. Furthermore, if a tapered peg backs out in the slightest amount, it loses all surface tension in an instant and fails.
Pin (cylindrical) dowels do not normally split materials because they don’t wedge. There is a predefined differential in size between the dowel and its pilot hole, usually snug but not enough to blow out. A weakness of traditional dowels is the lack of mechanical withdrawal resistance. The fibers provide substantial shearing resistance, and the glue provides withdrawal prevention…hopefully.
One advantage all dowels have over screws is their anchoring performance in end grain. When a dowel is properly glued in end grain, the adjacent long grain fibers of the dowel and the long grain fibers in the pilot hole create a very secure hold. Screws, while sturdy in cross grain situations, are weak in end grain. The simple explanation is that screw threading severs the fibers in which it is attempting to get purchase. This is much weaker. Furthermore, strip out from over turning must be noted as problem as well.
A setback with pin dowels is they do not anchor well in cross grain. Think about the separation you have seen in doweled rail/stiles, chair legs/rails, drawer face/drawer side, etc. Dowels will often fail in the side grain component and hold like hell in the end grain.
I think that addresses the principles of our design for the most part. The Miller Dowel SR system is a modified version of our original setup. With the SR, the continuous stepped drill bit has been separated into two bits. The top 1/3 has become the through-bore tool. The bottom 2/3 is the edge-bore tool. The bits are on 10m shanks and sold as sets.
A production advantage is that when inserting the MD, will fall through the top piece and into the substrate. This means that the fastener itself will align the components. It is basically RTA. If a shop has robotic assembly equipment, then the MD SR will not apply. However, if a shop has boring equipment, but no auto assembly, then this could be worth looking at.
Joints created with Miller Dowels are stronger than pin dowels or screws. The MD’s are self plugging, so they save a step and cost compared to screws. Also, plugs can fall out, MD’s cannot. As explained, in many applications a MD joint is stronger than a screwed joint, especially in end grain and MDF. Miller Dowel Joinery incorporates the flexibility and durability of wood joinery for the same amount or less labor as other fasteners. On top of all this, they cost less than some screws including confirmats. As mentioned, there are drawbacks for certain applications One feature of screws is that they can be backed out and reinserted (to an extent), and this may be critical in a design. A MD can be drilled out, but it is destroyed in the process of course. Also, the MD is an exposed connection, which doesn’t work in all designs. . In regard to automated assembly, we are at least a year away. But I hardly think this should pigeon hole the Miller Dowel SR as a hobbyist tool.
From contributor H:
We have had similar problems off and on. The solution was Chicago Dowel Co. pre-glued dowels. They have far superior glue, and we haven't had a problem since. You may also want to run distilled water through your dowel inserter, and make sure the dowels are kept dust and moisture free prior to use.
From contributor C:
I didn't realize that Chicago dowel uses a different glue from anyone else. I was wondering why they quoted me almost double that of everyone else.
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