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Through tenon modern tables

6/13/14       
Chris

I am making 2 of these tables in different variations. I plan on routing a "tongue" on the table top part and a stopped dado on the legs. Should work fine. My question is if I should make it in solid or crossband ply. Quoted at $3400 in solid and $2800 or so veneered (I'm already sorry I quoted that low)
Thanks


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6/13/14       #2: Through tenon modern tables ...
rich c.

Curious why the leg is seen through the edge of the top, but not the bottom? Sorry, not understanding the tongue and stopped dado comment. All I see is 1" stock with no change in material thickness for the legs. If you use solid, no way to glue those legs in cross grain. Also they will be proud or inset during different times of the year. Might also get gaps on the inside edge. In veneer, do you need to make the slabs look like end grain, or can you edge band? I'd consider torsion box construction so the customer can move it. That would be one heavy coffee table in solid walnut, something like 140 pounds.

6/14/14       #3: Through tenon modern tables ...
mark

If that price is for both tables, then the best thing that you can do is to walk away now. Your joinery description makes no sense either.

6/14/14       #4: Through tenon modern tables ...
Chris

No that's for one table. Here's what u was thinking


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6/14/14       #5: Through tenon modern tables ...
Shaun

I say veneer the top. It looks like a modernish style so not showing end grain on the top shouldn't be a problem with the customer and your leg joinery looks fine to me. The legs might not end up exactly flush with the outside edge of the top once they get acclimated to wherever the table is going. Cool design and looks to be a fun project. What are you figuring 15 hours building/assembling?? more/less?? What is your finishing schedule like? I know fun doesn't always pay the bills but I would have built it for $1500 labor plus materials plus material mark up.

6/14/14       #6: Through tenon modern tables ...
Shaun

I guess not modernish table but modern as the original post states on the subject headline. I should have read more carefully the first time but that just re-affirms my initial thought of edge banding?? Right??

6/15/14       #7: Through tenon modern tables ...
David R Sochar Member

If you build in solid, the upper edge of the leg dado will be short grain and prone to breaking off - per your drawing of the joint. I'd leave the upper end longer, and make the dado 1/4 x 1/4, and place it as low as possible on the legs.

That would even be a problem if built in veneered parts.

6/15/14       #8: Through tenon modern tables ...
Chris

Thanks David. Yes, I was aware of the potential for cracking. I thought even 1/8-3/16. If its solid and glued cross-grain I am guessing it would be ok as the legs are only 7" wide and the bottom of the leg would be through-screwed from bottom "shelf" with elongated holes to allow for movement at the bottom. I think veneer is probably the way to go. Then again I think turning down the job is even better....too little money for too big a risk of disaster down the road. Im on the fence

6/16/14       #9: Through tenon modern tables ...
rich c.

Did you consider doing a dovetail instead of the dado? In solid, you could angle cut the lumber before panel glue up to get the dovetail. Not easy, but doable. I doubt if that short grain on the leg would survive assembly if the fit was not dead on. If it swells a little with the glue during assembly, any tapping or clamping will load that joint and then a surprise! Even a shoulder all around the leg would be better than the dado.

6/20/14       #10: Through tenon modern tables ...
Brad Member

If you go with solid, the weight of the top and it twist racking would be of concern. (As well as that price). Constructabiltiy there are several ways to approach it.
My choice- Split Tenon top and bottom. Fake the end grain on the top and side via inlay/lamination.

6/20/14       #11: Through tenon modern tables ...
Chris

Made a mock up. Going with veneered torsion box/biscuits/glue/screws


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6/20/14       #12: Through tenon modern tables ...
Chris

Crossband veneer on tops/wood veneer edges


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10/31/14       #13: Through tenon modern tables ...
Alfred  Member

Website: http://www.homelement.com

By and large the span of the mortise and tenon is identified with the thickness of the timbers. It is viewed as great practice to extent the tenon as one third the thickness of the rail, or as near this as is commonsense. The hindquarters, the cut-away piece of a band corner joint that keeps the tenon advancing detached, is one third the length of the tenon and one sixth of the width of the tenon in its profundity.

3/10/15       #14: Through tenon modern tables ...
markbattles Member

Website: http://v-dubfurniture.com

I guess not modernish table but modern as the original post states on the subject headline. It is viewed as great practice to extent the tenon as one third the thickness of the rail, or as near this as is commonsense.

10/19/17       #15: Through tenon modern tables ...
MarcioWilges  Member

Website: http://www.platinumremovals.com.au

It is a pity if your client opts for the veneered version which is sadly quoted too low in my opinion too. However, the end product looks amazing which is sturdy with the ingenious method of fixtures. I just wonder if they might come off during moving especially if they had it already for a long time now. Nevertheless, definitely a job well done with intricate wooden detailings.

 

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