Home » Knowledge Base » Knowledge Base Article What's New  |  Site Map 

 

 
   
   
 
 


Today's
Sponsors:


Stor-N-Fold Systems

Super Source Tooling Inc.

Supergrit Abrasives

Surface and Panel Magazine

Target Coatings

Techno CNC Routers

Template Services

Teragren

The Cayce Company

The Reclaimer

The Veneer Store

Thermwood Corporation

TigerStop

TigerwoodDecking.com

TimberKing

Timesavers Inc.

TMS Machinery Sales

Tongass Forest Enterprises

Tooling on the Web

Toolstoday.com

Touch Up Solutions LLC

Tractivity

TradeSoft

Trakware Systems Inc.

TRB Flooring Company

Tropical American Tree Farm

Tropical Hardwoods

Turtle Sun Woodshop

Twin Oaks Mill

UC Coatings Corp.

Unique Machine & Tool

University of Wisconsin

UWMO Auctions

Vacuum Pressing Systems, Inc.

Vacuumpods.com

Vecoplan LLC

Vector Art 3D

Vectric Ltd.

Veneer Systems Inc.

Veneer Technologies Inc.

Vintage Perkins

VortexTool Co. Inc.

VyTek

W. Moore Profiles, Ltd.

W.L. Fuller

Wadkin North America

Wagner Electronic Products

WalzCraft Industries

Webb Abrasives

WEIMA America, Inc.

Weinig Group - USA

Western Dovetail

Williams and Hussey

Wisconsin Knife Works

WMIA

WMMA

Wood and Wood Products

Wood Doctor's Rx, LLC

Wood Tech Enterprises, Inc.

Wood Technology Inc

Wood-Mizer

Wood-Ply Lumber Corp.

WoodCabinetDoors.Com

Woodcraft Supply Corp.

WoodcraftPlans.com

WoodenBoat

WoodFinder

WoodJobs.com Search Consultants

Woodland Dimension Products

WoodLINKS

Woodmaster

WoodPlanet Inc.

WOODWEB

Woodworker's Supply/woodworker.com

Woodworker's Directory

Wright Timber

SK-USA

SketchList

SlipCon USA, Inc.

SoCalMachinery.com

South State Machinery

South Texas Moulding

Southeast Tool, Inc.

Specialtytools.com

SprayGunWorld.com

Stairguy Stairbuilding Videos

Stefani

Steve H. Wall Lumber Co.

Stiles Machinery

Stiles Shop Solutions



WOODWEB DISCLAIMS any and all RESPONSIBILITY and LIABILITY for the accuracy and application of the information below. Readers agree to evaluate the significance and limitations of the information provided, and accept full responsibility for the application of this information. Read More ...

Would you like to add information to this article?
Interested in writing or submitting an article?
Have a question about this article?



Blue Stain in Pine       How big a concern is blue surface stain on softwood? June 12, 2006

Question
I have blue staining on some of my quartersawn shortleaf pine. It was air dried some, then dh kiln dried down to 6% at temps up to 123 degrees. If I can plane down through the stain and seal with satin polyurethane, will the stain continue to grow within the wood and reappear later? I am using it for flooring and casings. What I can't plane out I will use for painted stock. Should I use Kilz stain blocker as a primer if I paint it?

Forum Responses
(Sawing and Drying Forum)
From Gene Wengert, forum technical advisor:
Blue stain is a fungus. It needs moisture to grow (at least 22% MC and probably 40% MC or greater). It is more than just on the surface however, so planning it off is often impossible.



From contributor T:
I remember reading an article in Sawmill and Woodlot about Denim (blue stained) pine. It is actually a premium product. I had a pile of loblolly (yellow) that was blue stained, and couldn’t plane through it. I used mostly for exterior trim. It was primed with Kilz and nothing has bled through.


From contributor C:
Gene, why would the sapstain fungi require such high (40%) MC, when your rule of thumb is 22% for mold and fungus growth?


From Gene Wengert, forum technical advisor:
When drying wood, when the average MC is 40% MC, there is a lot of dry wood fibers in the lumber that will not support growth. Most of the wetness is in the center of the lumber under 40% MC, so the risk of blue stain is fairly small. It is true that about 22% MC is the minimum MC, but that is a minimum for a fiber, and at that low MC growth will be fairly slow. Also, 22% MC is fairly conservative - sometimes folks will use a slightly higher number.


From contributor D:
So I'm curious about something. The blue stain affects appearance. But does it do anything to the integrity of the strength of the wood?


From contributor C:
Gene, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe blue stain fungi are non decaying fungi. Secondary infections often happen after the initial blue stain which results in loss of strength. On a side note, we are seeing a lot of blue stain in Douglas fir clears now.


From Gene Wengert, forum technical advisor:
With severe blue stain, there is toughness loss, probably due to other fungal degradation and not just blue stain, as Contributor C said.


From contributor D:
I live near the coast in Alabama where hot and humid are the norms. A lot of houses and barns were built here in the past using rough cut yellow pine long before planed and dried lumber became popular. Where this stuff has been kept from the weather and termites it is still good and solid - like trying to drive a nail into seasoned oak. So just how dramatic is the loss of strength that occurs and should this be something that I should be concerned about when using my own milled material?


From Gene Wengert, forum technical advisor:
SYP is indeed vert strong, so that some uses do not need all the strength. For homes, flexibility controls the design, not strength, so the real question is how much does blue stain affect stiffness.


Have you reviewed the related Knowledge Base areas below?
  • KnowledgeBase: Knowledge Base

  • KnowledgeBase: Lumber and Plywood

  • KnowledgeBase: Primary Processing

  • KnowledgeBase: Primary Processing: Air Drying Lumber




    Would you like to add information to this article? ... Click Here

    If you have a question regarding a Knowledge Base article, your best chance at uncovering an answer is to search the entire Knowledge Base for related articles or to post your question at the appropriate WOODWEB Forum. Before posting your message, be sure to
    review our Forum Guidelines.

    Questions entered in the Knowledge Base Article comment form will not generate responses! A list of WOODWEB Forums can be found at WOODWEB's Site Map.

    When you post your question at the Forum, be sure to include references to the Knowledge Base article that inspired your question. The more information you provide with your question, the better your chances are of receiving responses.

    Return to beginning of article.



    Refer a Friend || Read This Important Information || Site Map || Privacy Policy

    Letters, questions or comments? E-Mail us and let us know what you think. Be sure to review our Frequently Asked Questions page.

    Contact us to discuss advertising or to report problems with this site.

    To report a problem, send an e-mail to our Webmaster

    Copyright © 1996-2008 - WOODWEB ® Inc.
    All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced in any manner without permission of the Editor.
    Review WOODWEB's Copyright Policy.

    The editors, writers, and staff at WOODWEB try to promote safe practices. What is safe for one woodworker under certain conditions may not be safe for others in different circumstances. Readers should undertake the use of materials and methods discussed at WOODWEB after considerate evaluation, and at their own risk.

    WOODWEB, Inc.
    RR4 Box 265A
    Montrose, PA 18801

    Contact WOODWEB