Comparing Assembly Methods for Euro Cab Construction
From contributor R:
After building frameless for 15 years utilizing blind dado, I can tell you the simplest method is a horz/vertical 32mm construction boring machine and confirmat assembly. I just bought a used Holzher 1619 3 weeks ago and though the machining (boring) takes more time than to dado on the Hersaf panel router the assembly is quicker, cleaner, and much more rigid, even before the back goes in.
If you need deeper than 24" cases I'd recommend a 21 or 29 spindle machine. I build residential so 19 spindles don't hinder me much. The last two houses I did, I used doweled finished ends, but will probably use applied ends and raised panels from now on. I assume you have the edgebander and line boring machine already, preferably double row for hardware.
From contributor L:
Have you looked into out-sourcing parts? CabParts would be one possibility. That would be an alternative to not having the equipment. I do mostly faceframe in this area and I've done half a dozen European over the years. European is definitely easier and quicker if you have the market. But to be really successful you need some specialized equipment.
From contributor S:
Dowels/confirmats are the easiest and fastest method to make a sturdy clean EuroBox. The problem is dowel joinery and the 32mm system offer no room for error. A panel saw is a must. The tiniest errors will muck up everything.
The Blum system is a great place to start. They have a free technical manual explaining it. If you read and study all these things then spend a year scratching your have and cussing a lot you will come up with your own hybrid system that suits your process.
From contributor O:
We use dowels and blind dado construction. The shop I work in nailed and screwed or biscuited cabinets together since the 80's. It is how I was trained to build cabinets, nothing wrong with it and minimal equipment. The change came with machinery and how to utilize it best. With the CNC and a case clamp we can produce a finished cabinet much faster and with less material handling than before. There is also an image to clients that it is the "professional" way to build vs. when they saw nails and screws it could be built in a garage. Customers are always impressed by how a blind dado cabinet can just click together and slide into the case clamp. They see what they are paying for in our set up.
From the original questioner:
This is the type of support and priceless advice that is much appreciated. Thanks to all for your inputs. I am picking up Bob Buckly's book and still doing my research. I also came across a dowel boring jig and universal hinge boring set from IGMTools. My buyer wants to see a sample and once impressed I will get the financing to secure the bigger tools and machinery that you guys are talking about.
From contributor E:
It's true that aligning using screws can be problematic, but aligning using staples is a piece of cake - then the zip-R screws. My tops and bottoms are all flush and my thumb quickly verifies that. Extremely simple jig handles the very rare fixed shelf. I haven't dadoed anything in 10/12 years. Zero call for that either. No sense in making things harder than need be.
From contributor S:
Staple, glue and, screw is ok for a few boxes a day. But, doweling is a lot faster and more reliable. I agree that a box is a box, and it is easy to make a box that will hold the doors on and the countertop up. In fact I have never see a structural failure in a cabinet box, and I have un-installed some really poorly made cabinets.
You guys that swear by stapling, gluing, and screwing are not seeing how dowel construction affects the entire process. Someone said it will "add a process" that is wrong, by my calculations it removes several processes. Most the processes is removes are ones that require the worker to manually align and secure the box. Dowels eliminate that. The advantages are in the small details that are not so obvious if you have not worked in a Euro shop. The worker does not have to slip clamps over unsecured parts (a difficult balancing act that must be mastered), dowels allow you to simply mallet the parts together then slip the clamps on the already stable and sturdy box. While I am already finished tightening the clamps and gluing the back, the "screw and glue" guys are walking around the box and stapling.
Another huge factor is material choice. You simply cannot glue and staple melamine. If your process requires the use of plywood you will have lots of other time consuming issues to deal with.
From contributor B:
It appears that you have come to some conclusions based on this thread, and that is a good thing (nothing good ever comes from indecision). I would however like to address some of the claims that dowel construction is faster than staple and screw. If the claim was dowel construction eliminates the need for applied end panels, and eliminating applied end panels is desirable to you, then I agree wholeheartedly.
But the claim that dowel construction is faster than staple and screw (no glue required) can be very misleading. In a vacuum, where everyone is making frameless cabinetry with the same level and type of equipment, and utilizing the same production systems, you might be able to actually test this claim effectively.
But we are not in a vacuum, and everyone does not have the same level and type of equipment, nor the same production objectives. Some have minimal equipment, others have very expensive manual equipment, others have semi-automated equipment (NC) and others have highly automated equipment (CNC). Even the highly automated shops can be very different in that some prefer nested based manufacturing on a CNC router, and others prefer cellular systems utilizing a beam saw and a Point-to-Point CNC machining center.
If you prefer a one piece flow manufacturing system, or small process and transfer batches, and your objective is to turn out a few cabinets a day with a lot of ancillary parts that blend with these boxes to make up the end product, then dowel construction might actually slow you down.
To add an additional machining process to every single structural horizontal part (both ends of each part) and every single vertical part can take a lot of extra time, and you absolutely have to consider that material thickness variations can make this fool-proof system less than fool-proof. To have to add dowels and glue to every hole takes time that many seem to discount as trivial, but it can be comparable to the time it takes to staple and screw. The primary attributes of dowels is to locate/align parts and to eliminate the need of applied end panels. For the parts that align with an edge, either is easy (dowels or staple and screw), for the parts that are positioned at random locations within the cabinet like mid rails and fixed shelves, the dowel machine has to be setup for that position, and is just a likely to be right or wrong as manually marking the position. For a nested manufacturer, these can be located and aligned using blind mortise and tenons, or with simple location lines drawn with a veining bit (there are effective alternatives to dowels for location and alignment).
In one piece flow environments, to add the additional boring step can add considerable time to the machining process, and could potentially remove the ability to balance the flow (equal process times for the other steps/areas). The case clamp time, no matter how short can disrupt the flow, if not at the TAKT level, at least in the ramp up stage of restarting the flow after a disruption (to ignore disruptions is tantamount to setting yourself up for failure in the commercial and residential cabinet manufacturing business). Our industry is ripe with internal and external potential for disruptions (i.e., job delays, material delays, MIA employees, etc.), and to not account for those inevitable disruptions in our manufacturing systems can be painful or even fatal to our business.
We only have two viable methods to account for disruptions, one is to buffer with inventory (raw, WIP and finished), the other is with excess capacity (our ability to sprint). Both come at a cost, but one affects our ability to remove waste from the process more than the other, one lowers our sprint capacity significantly, so pick your poison carefully (just because you can manufacture 20 cabinets in a day does not mean you can manufacture 5000 cabinets a year). Disruptions are inevitable, but how we deal with them can make all the difference in the world. The bottom line is that we are operating in a world of dependant events, and to make decisions without understanding the far reaching implications of those dependencies can have a dramatic effect on our ability to make more money now and in the future.
From contributor V:
The best way to assemble boxes depends on the application and available tooling. Having the ability to endbore with quick and accurate setups opens a lot of doors. The endbores for confirmats, dowels, Minifix, Mod-eez, etc. can all be done with the same fence/stop setup. Unless you have a case clamp and glue/insertion tooling and/or want/need invisible fasteners, confirmats are the best choice.
The third hole and cam of the Minifix only make them viable when you need a fastener free end panel and need two sided mounting (e.g. on a shared panel) and/or need to assemble the box in place on site. The Mod-eez pocket is more involved than the Minifix cam hole, but endboring (32mm offset) is optional and itís an invisible fastener with other uses.
With minimal tooling, the only apples-to-apples comparison to staple-and-screw is confirmats. If you are setup for endboring (i.e. need/use any of the above), confirmats are the best choice. Parts easily and accurately align during assembly (always endboring inside up allows for variations in material thickness). Confirmats make it easy to index any and all components, e.g. stretchers/rails indexed to system holes. There's no free-handing, no measuring/marking and no blowouts.
From contributor S:
I have been all over the place when using connecting hardware. Now I am back to dowels and confirmats. I think you mean "outside up" when boring, so it all lines up, unless you are not using a standard construction boring machine. If you are using a dowel inserter and separate face boring machine then face down is normal.
From contributor V:
With a flip-flop boring machine set to bore 9.5 off the back fence (face) and 9.5 off the table (end), the only way to get a flush (lengthwise) joint - with any material thickness (typically 18-19.3) - is to end bore with the outside face against the table. Face boring is done inside face against the table.
To insure that the front edges are flush, each joint needs to be bored from the same reference point (stop or fence), i.e. the edge-banded edge always goes against a stop or fence (not in my mind when I did the picture). The circle is complete because the only way you can do it is with inside up end boring and inside down face boring.
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