Conversion Varnish on Antique Heart Pine

      Antique Heart Pine tends to come with all the residues and character of its 200-year service life. Will conversion varnish stick to it, and behave?February 27, 2013

Question
Virtually all of the heart pine projects I have been part of were finished with Waterlox with great success and beauty. I have a project in front of me, a large corner entertainment cabinet in which the client has asked for the option of a CV finish.

Does anyone have any experience spraying CV on antique heart pine? If yes, did you have to have the wood dried more than normal or treat it with anything before finish? My instinct says that the CV would not stick well to the sappy surface or that successive coats would pull or otherwise deform the first coat. Maybe I am just paranoid because I have always used an oil product and occasionally a wiped poly. Any real-world experience would be appreciated.

Forum Responses
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From contributor M:
I have sprayed CV over a knotty pine kitchen and indeed the CV did pucker over the knots. I lucked out because this was an antique rustic-look farm kitchen with glaze, and the puckers added character and were not rejected. I will always remember that lesson.



From the original questioner:
My question was specifically regarding antique heart pine. I have sprayed CV on almost everything but I have never shot it on antique heart pine. If you have never worked with this wood it has many challenges. Out of the planer, the more you sand it the worse it looks. It is best to scrape it flat or make sure you have de-nailed it well and use it right out of the planer with a fresh set of blades. This is when the wood looks best, but it is also when you would get the least adhesion with finishes like CV and pre- and post-cat lacquers.

This is why I usually use Waterlox. It is a build finish and the first coat, particularly if you thin it with naptha or mineral spirits, soaks deep into the wood and successive coats burn in and bond. CV, once shot, will crosslink and become almost inert, requiring scratches from light sanding (paper or synthetic) for bite on successive coats. I am afraid to commit to using this extremely sappy wood that also typically contains a variety of other materials and solutions soaked into it over the one to two hundred years the beams and floorboards this species is reclaimed from has soaked up.

I have had this wood taken from whiskey distilleries and cigar factories, smelling like each respectively. There really is no way to completely extract the sap or any other soaked in material from these boards without either subjecting them to a visit to a kiln or to cook them in a water or chemical bath, ruining the patina and character that you would normally select this wood for in the first place. I guess what I am looking for here is either someone to tell me that CV does not work on antique heart pine, either through empirical evidence or PHD level theory, or to tell me CV can be used and this is how.



From contributor T:
I have yet to find a wood that I can't successfully put CV on, except wood contaminated with silicone. I think your best bet will be to spray some of the gummiest, knottiest, nastiest heart pine you have as a test run, multiple coats, just for testing purposes. Buy yourself some low cost cleaning-grade lacquer thinner, put on a glove, and wipe down the heart pine thoroughly to remove the surface pitch.

Spray the first coat and see what happens. Scuff sand gently with 320, spray the second coat and see what happens. On some (not all) of the wood, spray a third coat and see what happens, and then determine if two coats, or three coats, is where you want to stop.

I am a cabinet maker but on the side I also make woodturnings out of everything from cocobolo to teak to desert ironwood to morado. All of these are quite oily, loaded with pitch, smell (especially the desert ironwood), and I've very successfully put conversion varnish (MLC Krystal) on all of them with no problems whatsoever. I do wipe them all down with lacquer thinner first. I've made fountain pens from desert ironwood that have gone several years and the finish still looks beautiful - standing up to both the ironwood's oil content, and hand crud from the guy writing with it.



From the original questioner:
That was pretty much what I needed in terms of experienced based opinion. About a year ago I changed shops. I developed the finish process and practices for the past shop and have yet to develop one in the new shop. I am faced with having to farm out a finish for a cabinet made of RHP. As the last sliver of due diligence, and because I have never personally shot CV on RHP, I am looking for firsthand experience and opinion preparing to do said farming. I just want to be able to say "yes we can do that" and hand it off to a finisher, transparent to the client.


From contributor T:
I routinely sand wood up to 600 and higher grit for things like bowls, platters, etc. (well, when I had time to make such things) and never had an adhesion problem, even on oily woods. These were though art items and not a cabinet that saw daily use. Still, wood straight from the planer should have plenty bite if you clean the RHP with lacquer thinner, acetone, MEK, or whatever other harsh solvent you have laying around.



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