Home » Knowledge Base » Knowledge Base Article What's New  |  Site Map 

 

 
   
   
 
 


Today's
Sponsors:


Invicta Woodworking Machines

IpeDepot.com

irsauctions.com

Italpresse

J&P Machines

J. Gibson McIlvain Company

JIT Hardware Supplies, Inc.

JMHsoftware.com

John G. Weber Co.

Joos USA Inc.

KCDw

Kerber Farms and Mill

Keystone Wood Specialties

Keytrix Data Systems

Kiln-direct.com

Kleiberit Adhesives USA, Inc.

Koch Machinery and Systems

Komo Machine, Inc.

Kreg Tool Company

Kremlin

Lacy Cypress Inc.

Laguna Tools

Lane Stanton Vance

LEUCO Tool Corporation

Lewis Lumber Products

Lobo Machinery Corp.

Loch Logging and Lumber

Logosol

Lubie Lube

Lumber Resources

MACHINEKING.com

Machines Italia - Italian Trade Commission

Macoser, Inc.

Mahros

Maine Woods Company

Mann and Parker Lumber Co.

MARTIN Woodworking Machines Corp.

Mastercam - CNC Software

Matthews Mill

Maya Positioning Equipment

Mereen-Johnson Machine Company

Merritt Woodwork

Microvellum

Mid America Protective Coatings

Mid-America Hardwoods

Middle Valley Lumber

Midwest Automation

Midwest Sandright

Mikron Woodworking Machinery

Mill Outlet

Minimax

Mirror Reflections

Mississippi Heart Pine

Miter Clamp

MLS Machinery USA, Inc.

MLS Machinery

Modern Woodworking Magazine

Moldingknives.com

Monarch Machinery

Morbidelli

Moulder Services

Moulder Techniques

Mountainside Wood Products

Multicam, Inc.

NAP Gladu

NCME

Hardware Resources

Hardwood Council

Hardwood Store of N.C. Inc.

Hasko Machines

Heidelberg Flooring

Hendrick

Her-Saf

Hermance Machine Company

High Point Grinding - Total Saw Solutions

Historical Plus Wood

Hoffmann Machine Company

Holz Her U.S. Inc.

Howard S. Twichell Co.

HSD USA

Hvalsoe Sawmill Ltd.

ICA North America

Icy Straits Lumber

IDM

Impact Search and Placement

Industrial Air Solutions

Industrial Maid

Integra Tooling

InTrading



WOODWEB DISCLAIMS any and all RESPONSIBILITY and LIABILITY for the accuracy and application of the information below. Readers agree to evaluate the significance and limitations of the information provided, and accept full responsibility for the application of this information. Read More ...

Would you like to add information to this article?
Interested in writing or submitting an article?
Have a question about this article?



Should Hardwood be Air-Dried Before Kiln-Drying?       A discussion on the best drying schedule for maple, white ash, black ash, beech, cherry, and birch. December 1, 2005

Question
I've been talking to some kiln operators in my area. The first guy wants me to sticker my green lumber for about two months, then he'll dry it in his DH kiln for about three weeks to 6%. He wants 30 cents/BF to dry it. The second guy wants me to sticker my green lumber for 5 months, then he'll kiln dry it to 6% in his wood heated kiln in two weeks. He wants 16 cents/BF to dry it. The wood was cut 7/24, and was put on stickers yesterday. Maple, white ash, black ash, beech, cherry, and birch. Heavy on maple (soft and hard). How do these two guys sound? Which way would you lean?

Forum Responses
(Sawing and Drying Forum)
From contributor R:
Neither! The maple, cherry and ash are woods that are easy to dry from green. There really is no advantage, other than very minimal energy savings, in air drying first with these species. (Which is more than offset with inventory turnover times.) The maple and white ash will produce the best color being dried from green and greatly reduce the chance of gray/sticker stain. Of course, I'm in the deep south, where dead stacking maple overnight can be a disaster.



From Gene Wengert, forum technical advisor:
Another big concern is the power that each kiln has. It might be that these kilns have low energy input, so if you put in green lumber, you would have a mold factory because the RH would be too high. I vote for neither person and would look for someone that would take it at a high MC... high MC probably means that they have a kiln with enough heat and venting and spray.

Note that if you air dry first, you will likely not have any drying stress (casehardening), so the kiln will not have to use a conditioning (steaming) period. When drying green, casehardening is likely and so conditioning is required to remove it.



From the original questioner:
These two kilns are my only options, as transporting this much lumber very far is very difficult for me, and both kilns are close. Having said that, is my lumber going to be junk?


From contributor M:
Gene, could you please elaborate on your comment that drying green will always result in casehardening?


From Gene Wengert, forum technical advisor:
Casehardening results when the outside fibers try to shrink but are prevented from shrinking as much as they want by the wet, unshrinking core. (The case is not harder than the core, incidentally. Casehardening is a stress condition.) In air drying, this also develops, but then the 100% RH at night relieves the stress.


From the original questioner:
Do you suspect my maple, ash, and beech will be of very poor quality, if I air dry this stack for 3 or 4 months?


From Gene Wengert, forum technical advisor:
It is more likely that the color will not be as white and bright as if you had skipped air drying.


From the original questioner:
Until I get my own kiln, I'm at the mercy of the only two in my area. And they require extensive air drying.

Gene, in "Drying Hardwood Lumber," I read that there is a significant advantage to shed drying, if air drying is a must. Since my local kilns require air drying before they'll take it, and since I don't have room or the money to build an air drying shed, what are your thoughts on placing some sort of stake on top of my outdoor stacked lumber, and then draping a very large piece of Shade-DRI over the stack, effectively building a Shade-DRI tent over the lumber? Is that a good alternative to building an actual shed? Should that assist me in obtaining a higher quality product?



From Gene Wengert, forum technical advisor:
For ash, maple, etc., you want to dry as fast as possible. A roof over the lumber (i.e., an open walled shed) is okay, but that is it.


From contributor C:
You can accomplish almost the same thing as a shed by putting a layer of stickers on top of the stack and covering it with sheets of treated plywood or that wavy plastic roofing material so that it sticks out 6-10" from the side of the stack. I did this a year ago with the plywood and got good results. Some of the lumber on the very outside of the stack darkened a bit for the 2-3" on the edge, but the rest looks great and the darkening has planed off on most of the boards. Just make sure you weight or tie down the cover so it doesn't blow off.
Have you reviewed the related Knowledge Base areas below?
  • KnowledgeBase: Knowledge Base

  • KnowledgeBase: Primary Processing

  • KnowledgeBase: Primary Processing: Air Drying Lumber

  • KnowledgeBase: Primary Processing: Kiln Operation




    Would you like to add information to this article? ... Click Here

    If you have a question regarding a Knowledge Base article, your best chance at uncovering an answer is to search the entire Knowledge Base for related articles or to post your question at the appropriate WOODWEB Forum. Before posting your message, be sure to
    review our Forum Guidelines.

    Questions entered in the Knowledge Base Article comment form will not generate responses! A list of WOODWEB Forums can be found at WOODWEB's Site Map.

    When you post your question at the Forum, be sure to include references to the Knowledge Base article that inspired your question. The more information you provide with your question, the better your chances are of receiving responses.

    Return to beginning of article.



    Refer a Friend || Read This Important Information || Site Map || Privacy Policy

    Letters, questions or comments? E-Mail us and let us know what you think. Be sure to review our Frequently Asked Questions page.

    Contact us to discuss advertising or to report problems with this site.

    To report a problem, send an e-mail to our Webmaster

    Copyright © 1996-2008 - WOODWEB ® Inc.
    All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced in any manner without permission of the Editor.
    Review WOODWEB's Copyright Policy.

    The editors, writers, and staff at WOODWEB try to promote safe practices. What is safe for one woodworker under certain conditions may not be safe for others in different circumstances. Readers should undertake the use of materials and methods discussed at WOODWEB after considerate evaluation, and at their own risk.

    WOODWEB, Inc.
    RR4 Box 265A
    Montrose, PA 18801

    Contact WOODWEB