Why Is Finish Curling Alder Veneer?
The veneer is not glued to anything, it's just to be used for re-facing cabinets. So it's still in the 2' x 8' sheets. I had some curl back in Sept of '06, which turned out to be a nightmare, as after refacing the kitchen, the curling kept up its work and lifted the edges of the strips on the stiles and rails.
Now this time I happened to be watching for this curling, which took about 24 hours to start. So at least I have not applied the veneer in my customer's house yet. It's still in my shop. But what am I going to do to get this to stay flat? I don't dare use this. Why is finishing it causing it to curl? Refacing is done across the country on quite a large scale, so I know somebody has a solution.
From the original questioner:
Does the phenolic backed veneer come as pre-glued? Or do you apply glue to the veneer and the cabinets?
My veneer is curling across the grain... That is, you could take the 2' x 8' piece and roll it so you have an 8' long tube. If you wet veneer with water, won't it expand the side you are wetting? My veneer is curling up toward the face concave. I will look into the phenolic back. My finish is solvent base, though, not water base. What do you use and what percentage do you thin it? For veneer?
From contributor C:
Yes, as I said, if you wet the veneer down on one side, it will expand the veneer and that's what makes it curl, but - when you have a thick phenolic back, it is unable to do so to any extent. It does a little, but as the finish dries, it relaxes and by next day it is virtually flat again. What's happening in your case is that as the finish is shrinking, it's pulling the veneer up because you have added thickness to one side and not the other. All finishes contract as they are drying and they pull upon the surface, in your case unsupported veneer.
Do me a favor and make a sample - spray two coats on one side, let dry overnight, and then spray two coats on the other side and let me know what happens. What should happen is that the coating thickness being equal on each side should lay the veneer back out again. I know the first time I used polyester on 1/4" plywood it happened, but as soon as I put it on the other side, it laid back out flat again, as all other pieces I have done since then.
Also, do not use water base, continue with the solvent base - you've misread my first post! All I wanted you to do was put water on a sample to show you how it curled, not knowing yours was an applied finish problem. My mistake.
From contributor R:
I'd say your finish is shrinking in size as it cures. Doubt if there's anything you can do. Maybe you should try using WB - that way the veneer will curl the other way; when it dries it will come back a little. When you glue it down on your re-facing jobs, the edges won't be in tension and should stick better. The few re-facings I've done I used 3ply plywood. Didn't have any problems.
From the original questioner:
How thick was the plywood? What did that thickness do to the screw position in the edge of the face frame for your hinges? I've thought about ply but 1/8" from the front edge of the original face frame makes me nervous. Did you glue it on?
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