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Levelling cabinets in factory4/15
We do frameless cabinets with ladder frame kicker box. We build on the bench and then setup job in factory.
Seems to be a major issue on the factory floor, the guys level out the kickers with shims, put the cabinets on, someone kicks or nudges a cabinet and the whole thing falls off the shims and out of level. Didn't think it was all that hard personally!! but it's an issue.
Anybody got any clever ways about quick and rigid levelling in the factory? Iv'e thought about building small platforms with adjustable feet on them that could be set up to put the cabinets on, the kickers could go on top of the base cabinets to test fit. It just doesn't seem like a one size fits all solution and would end up being time consuming, and something else to store in the factory.
Why are you setting up the kitchen in your shop? Just build the boxes, set level in the home and be done with it.
Unless I am missing something, not really sure why a frameless kitchen would need to be setup in the shop.
I don't get it either. If you are a factory building boxes, they should all be drilled for the hardware and no assembly at the factory required. If you insist on a factory floor build, make heavy duty torsion boxes out of MDF or look for cast iron bed plates on the surplus market. If you build the torsion boxes, make them tall so the guys don't have to bend over so much to work on the boxes.
your absolutely right. Maybe I should rephrase the question to target the overlying issue.
Very common for workshops here in Australia to setup prior to load but I understand it's a waste of time and really it's just lazy on the assemblers brains behalf, they could be doing checks and QC on the bench and compartmentalize the job into cabinets, if all the cabinets are right the jobs right...right?
We are old school machinery setup panel saw, bander, multiborers, screw and nail construction so occasionally have issues with incorrect cut sizes ect. therefore at this stage in time more efficient to setup and ensure the job is 100% before finding issues on site. Slowly setting up a QC checking system but I'm still heavily involved in the day to day so find it hard to commit the time to it.
We are getting CNC router in 2 weeks load/unload, drilling, the works.
Would be looking to have cabinets straight off the bench into storage or preferably the truck after the initial setup and working through teething issues, anyone been through this? how long to get this up and running. I know I will have a problem with "buy-in" on the shop floor but happy to plough through it to get there.
Wow, totally going through the same thing here ChipBored.
On our platforms we install levelers for the field: https://www.hafele.com/us/en/product/base-leveler-with-pound-in-prongs/63742905/?M
The larger issue for us is having boxes out of square.
I've been pushing the guys to build our frameless cabinets (CNC cut) on a very flat table, however somehow we still have issues with the boxes being out of square. Absolutely no idea how this can happen, but as you say it's much better to catch mistakes here than in the field. I hate getting calls from installers saying that our cabinets are out of square. (my own guys would have solved this problem in the field by shimming.)
In any event, I think that we need to make the purchase for a case clamp and end doweling machine. Seems like a big purchase for a small shop, but I can't see another way to get these things perfectly square. If this is a similar issue for you, would be interested in an update once you move to the CNC construction. Good luck!
The cabinets should be case clamped! Much faster, absolutely square, no time wasting setting them up on a platform. The backs are fastened while case is in the clamp. It takes one man 6 minutes to install all the hardware, assemble & clamp, ready to slide drawer in and snap door on. The router will solve your inaccurate parts problem. You only need 4 machines to turn out a lot of cabinets a day. Route, band, bore & insert, case clamp. Throw away your carts and put in conveyors. Buy your doors & drawers cheaper than you can make.
When I worked in a larger shop, with lots of potential for "leveled mock-ups" to get knocked out of whack, we would glue the shims to the concrete shop floor, and mark them. That way, it was obvious if the cabinets had been upset, and quick to reset. The shims are easily removed with a hammer or putty knife.