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Any proficient Mozaik users here? I am considering it and have questions10/15
So I'm looking at Mozaik (among a couple of other software companies), I don't have a CNC, and would like to know if someone can confirm that Mozaik can do the following:
I believe but am not certain that it can:
1. Materials pricing
I believe I have the above capabilities correct.
Now, I have no idea if Mozaik can do the following?
6. Give me drawer box sizes and cut lists based on case dimensions as well as the clearances and design requirements of drawer hardware (undermount glides)?
7. Can it easily give me printable build sheets that show relevant dimensions so that I don't have to worry about calculating door reveals, placing a divider just right between drawer and door splits, etc.
8. Can it give me center-line layout measurements of hinge cup holes and mounting plates? I'll post a picture of a non-standard job where I run into this type of thing and it takes me a long time to hand calculate or layout and then transfer the measurements.
Attached is a picture of an 86" cabinet. It has a mirrored upper door, adjustable shelving, and the bottom split is a hinged out clothes hamper. My current software cannot handle a cabinet like this and its costing me too much time to hand draft these cabinets.
polyboard can do all what you ask
I'm sure Jim will chime in soon and tell you how great it is (with a picture of a Camaster). They seem like they have a great product and given their lineage, they have great potential.
I have been using Mozaik linked to a CNC for almost a year. It will do everything you are asking. They have a unique business model vs. everyone else in the software business. I believe that the owner developed some of the first cabinet software. He wants CNC technology to be available to even the small shops, so the software definitely is affordable and VERY capable. The cost of the full manufacturing package is so affordable, I would encourage you to give it a go. The worst that can happen, you will be out a few hundred bucks if you can't use it.
Knowing Roger's philosophy, I seriously doubt he would "sell out" to make a buck.
Jon, have you ever read this:
It sounds like you know exactly what you want, which is VERY good! I would suggest calling Mozaik and asking them to SHOW you specifically how their software would satisfy your concerns. With remote technology these days, you will be able to get onto their computer to see how Mozaik will handle your issues.
The reason I suggest this is because even though the price is low and you would not be losing much, you would be losing a lot of time LEARNING the software just to see if it will do as you require. By calling them up and having them SHOW you on their computers how your questions are answered, you avoid the learning curve as well as the expense.
Frank, that is exactly my concern. I don't want to lose a couple months on a program just to see if it really works as well as claimed.
I looked at this software at IWF Atlanta show this year. For the price its amazing compared to cabinet vision and others. It bases off of google sketchup so if you are familiar with that its extremely powerful for a free downloadable program. For me the downfalls for Mozaik is they told me they don't connect to any pod and rail cnc machines only flat tables. the other thing is and I didn't verify this with them but I think you can only do up to 9 rooms then you have to start a new job. But if your starting out I think this would be an awesome way to get going. It just wasn't for us. But I am keeping an eye on it I think they will keep improving it with user input.
Please allow me give you some serious advice on checking out ANY software program.
There are two main problems when shopping for software:
1. Software salesmen are trained to stay in control of the demo they give you. Generally you will receive a canned demo that has been practiced to perfection, giving the impression that the software program can do just about anything.
To avoid both these pitfalls, may I suggest the following:
1. Call the software company for an online demo, making sure they understand you want to see how their program fits your needs.
If these things cannot be shown to you quickly by someone who is WELL-VERSED in the software you are contemplating, then you can rest assured that it will take you much longer to accomplish the task when you have the software on your computer.
On the other hand, if these things CAN be SHOWN to you quickly by the saleperson, then you will probably be happy with the software. Know that there is no software that will do ALL that you want.....but the software you finally decide upon should do ALL that you NEED, and the MAJORITY of what you WANT.
Frank, thank you for taking the time to write that out for me. That is a good guide that I will use in evaluating programs. You are right about needing more emphasis on the manufacturing end. That is where my last program fell short. Made nice design renderings though, but I've lost lots of hours on this current project alone because it couldn't handle a bunch of the unusual stuff.
I had a sales call and you are dead on right about the canned lecture. Just wasn't for me. I will send off some requests for a visual demonstration of what their scaled drawings and assembly sheets look like, as those are two very important pieces of information output that are holding me up.
You are more than welcome Stephan!
Frank, I've been really impressed with your helpful response and no BS attitude on other posts and I have been checking out cabinet pro. May I ask you a couple of questions about the software (I am assuming you are with the company).
Yes, I am the president and programmer for Cabinet Pro. Ask any questions you want. I will be very happy to answer them as completely as possible.
Thank you for your compliment of my having a no-BS attitude. I think we can all see thru BS, and none of us like it. So thank you again.
Ok thank you. So I have been watching the detailed videos on your website outlining certain details of your software. I'm a small un-automated shop that builds frameless cabinetry and I am very pleased to see that there is a hinge center line calculator / output sheet.
2. I may have missed it, but after watching most of the videos in the video demonstration section, I didn't see anything covering the accountability in the software for different types of joinery / case construction. Ie. recessed or flush backs, applied backs, thin board backs with nailer strips, rabbeted vs pocket screwed partitions and counter-top nailer strips etc. Is this in the software?
3. I offer two lines of cabinetry, one uses standard grade products and the other offers higher end domestic products. As such the pricing, joinery and material thicknesses are different between the two. Can I have two types of profiles or catalogs set up so that I need only work in one or the other depending on the job and I don't have to go and change all of my default settings each time I change the job type?
I hope these questions make sense, if not, please ask and I'll do my best to elaborate. Thanks Frank.
1. There exist as many hinge setups as you require. At the hinge setup screen, each hinge is governed by whether the door is vertically or horizontally hinged, the vertical or horizontal placement of the holes, distance from the top door edge to hinge's horiz. center line, distance from the btm door edge to hinge's horiz. center line, vert. center line distance from front edge, and distance between holes. These values can also be automatically adjusted per door size. In addition, there exists an increment to use (e.g., 32mm) from the btm hole to locate & alter the distance to the top hinge(s). This information translates to the door itself, and then to the carcase sides as well. This is one reason why we have to utilize insets of the various sides into the top & btm of the cabinet (if they exist). This is also why it is an easy task to change hinges and obtain totally different reports. The CNC version drills these holes automatically but the non-CNC version provides hinge location reports.
2. We handle most joinery by parameters defining one part's inset into another. Recessed, or flushed backs are easily set up, as are applied backs, applied finished ends, user-defined components nailers, vertical stretchers, horizontal stretchers along the width or along the depth, etc.
3. ABSOLUTELY! You can have as many lines of cabinetry as you wish. Cabinet Pro allows a virtually unlimited number of construction setups, door setups, CNC setups, material setups, edgebanding setups, dwr guide setups, pull setups, hinge setups, and hardware setups. For a given job, one simply APPLIES a given setup to the job and the entire invoice, cutlist, and CNC output changes. We have even figured out a way to have our cutlists & CNC output actually be INDEPENDENT of material thickness! You can change ALL material and their thicknesses within a job in about 5 seconds and the shop drawings, dado widths, pricing, etc. will still be correct. And then, when you are finished with a particular job, Cabinet Pro allows all materials & hardware to be deducted from Inventory so that the Inventory Reorder reports that are generated let you know in advance what to order, and from whom to order it.
Stephan, I am going to hold myself up to the same standards of what I told you above: don't believe any words from any software representative, including me, until those words have been DEMONSTRATED to you visually. You need to SEE for yourself how a program such as Cabinet Pro or any other software you are investigating will address your needs. I am taking a company on a Test Drive tomorrow (Saturday) at 8AM and would be happy to show you the program directly at a time of your convenience. I do not give "canned" demos. Our "canned demos" are the videos you watched on our website. I would ask YOU what YOU want to see, and then I would show you immediately how Cabinet Pro performs the tasks you require. So please let me know a day and time that would be good for you, and I will have you on my computer remotely to see how Cabinet Pro addresses any issues you might have. With all due respect, I think that would not only be more personalized but more appropriate than discussing details on this forum.
Frank, thank you for the detailed response. As you can tell, the three parameters you outlined are important for me and are part of my selection criteria. I didn't want to take any more of your time if these items weren't available. From here onward I'll contact you off forum. You'd be surprised how many companies I've talked to that won't fill manual setup, cutting, and assembly methods unless I purchase their upgraded CNC or automated shop version.
I'll be taking you up one that test drive demonstration offer once I get this big project delivered next week. Thank you again.
Sounds good Stephan. Do a good job on your big project and then give me a call when relief that it's finished has set in. :)
By the way Stephan, here is a screenshot taken from our website showing hinge locations on both the door and adjoining side. In the CNC Version, these holes are drilled automatically. In the non-CNC Standard Version, this report is given to allow the cabinet maker to drill his/her holes manually. Click on the heading below the drawing to make it more readable.
Wow, that's exactly the type of hinge report I'm looking for. Thanks for taking the time to post that example. It checks a big question off my list.
Frank, can your program work for 1-3/4" faceframed using a 3/8" scribe between unfinished cabinets?
Yes, Cabinet Pro supports BOTH scribes and fillers. The software allows all faceframe parts to be different and any dimension you want. In addition, scribes and fillers of any dimension can be assigned to either or both ends. Cabinet Pro also allows each filler or scribe to be adjusted in both the depth and width directions. Finally, each scribe or filler may be placed along the same plane as the stile, or perpendicular to the stile.
Attached is a sample drawing with a filler on one end, and a scribe on the other. In addition, I've cut the scribe at a 22.5 degree angle to butt up against an adjoining cabinet.
Hope this answers your question. If not let me know.