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Need advice on undermounts

12/29/16       
Barry Golash

Hi All
I am probably the last cabinetmaker on the planet to switch to under mount drawer glides. I see that Blum is the standard.
I did see on Woodweb that Grass makes a comparable under mount - dyno pro.

One company tested them and thought they had even better features than Blum.I was thinking about trying them.
My supplier can provide them for $17.85.
The salesmen visited then he mentioned something strange. It was that
Grass is for 5/8 or 3/4 thick drawer sides. I sometimes use baltic birch
at 12.7 mm. My buyout drawers in solid maple are 1/2. Do I really have
to use 5/8?
Thanks

12/29/16       #2: Need advice on undermounts ...
Mark B Member

We use Dynapro's and like them. The 5/8" version will work with 1/2" material. You can view the PDF here:
http://www.grassusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/pdfs/grass_catalog_dynapro.pdf


12.5mm is the low end.

12/29/16       #3: Need advice on undermounts ...
JimHerron

You can buy most brands- Blum, Salice, Grass to accommodate up to 5/8" sides usually designated as 16
ie Grass Dynapro 16 or Grass Elite 16
The 19 will accommodate a 3/4" side as in
Grass Dynapro 19
1/2" sides normally require the drawer box to be 5/8" narrower than inside cab width
That said I like the Grass slides and have done most recent projects with the Grass Elite slides (about $9.00 set) and 1/2" Baltic birch dovetailed boxes

12/30/16       #4: Need advice on undermounts ...
harold Morantz

Website: http://morantzcabinets.com

WE have been using the Blum for years and have tried others, incuding Grass and KV. Keep coming back to the Blum. I like the back tilt adjustment for some really fine tweaking. Harold.

1/3/17       #5: Need advice on undermounts ...
Mark V.

I have used Blum Blumotion, Grass DynaPro, Salice Futura and Hettich Quadro slides. The Blum, Grass and Hettich slides get daily use in my own home.

I have very limited experience with the Salice slides, as they did not work with my frameless system. I will be ordering a sample set soon to re-visit them as I have made an adjustment to the system and they are now a viable option. The problem was that the side of the slide, that attaches the cabinet side, was about 5mm taller than everyone else’s and it conflicted with the bottom of the cabinet, if there was a drawer at that location (using 5mm system holes in a manual shop). Availability is solid for me through two strong sources.

I stopped using the Blumotion slides after a few years because of availability problems and poor suppliers, but they seemed to be a very good slide. I have some in my house and the soft-close has partially failed on one drawer, but I think the cabinet is around 10 years old so I am not complaining. The slide otherwise functions correctly.

Grass DynaPros…sigh… it’s been a love/hate relationship for years. I really love these slides when you can get them installed in a cabinet. They function awesomely and can be used in wide drawers without concern, but getting them shipped to me without damage proved to be challenging. In my opinion, the things that make these slides awesome are also there greatest weakness…too many fragile plastic/nylon parts. When the slides first started shipping they came separated (lefts and rights) by thick corrugated cardboard and I can’t recall having any problems with damage. However, I hated it because if you needed less than a full box, separating the slides out was a pain as the cardboard did a good job of locking the slides into position. Shortly after, Grass started nesting the slides together without any cardboard. I was initially happy, as grabbing a pair of slides was greatly simplified however, soon after, damage started showing up. At first, it was only a slide every now and then, maybe one in every 15-20 pairs, but then it started getting worse, recently to the tune of 20-40%. Broken bearing races, roller bearings sheared in half, rack-n-pinion gear that has jumped a couple of teeth, the front plastic thingie…all fragile plastic parts that do not survive rough handling. I heard many times that “this is the first they are hearing about any issues,” until I spoke to the counter people at another major supplier who admitted that they have a whole skid collecting damaged slides and that, as I suspected, the packaging in their opinion was to blame. Availability was great through multiple suppliers.

Currently I am using Hettich Quadro slides and am pleased. I’ve had one bad one in about 100. It worked fine but made a weird clicking sound when you slid the drawer closed. The problem is, I have to get them from a single non-preferred supplier, but it is a small price to pay for a good, reliable slide that can survive shipping from one of the big hardware suppliers. If I continue to use these I will have to find some additional reliable sources.

I hope this helps.
Mark

1/3/17       #6: Need advice on undermounts ...
Dave Edgerton  Member

We use the hettich quadros only and have been for 8 years

1/14/17       #7: Need advice on undermounts ...
Mike Fuson

I've used both the kv muv and Salice. Salice is my choice by far. My supplier don't carry the Blum or I would give them a try, mainly because everyone likes them so much here.

3/10/17       #8: Need advice on undermounts ...
Marvin

Website: http://Dakotalandwoodwork.com

Grass Hands Down i Am Talking 200 Grand A Year And No Call Backs Prior With Other Brands Lots Of Problems And Lots Of Replacements

2/7/21       #9: Need advice on undermounts ...
Raymond Member

Website: http://vadania.com

I'm happy to hear that you finally try to use the side mount drawer slides cause they can hold much more weight and sliding better than undermount slides.
Just pay attention to the space between the drawers and the cabinet walls. If you have at lease 12.7mm space for each side. Then you can choose the normal 1/2" thick drawer slides. VADANIA VA/VK/VF1245 drawer slides can fit your project. And of couse you can check first in the installation video and the note for the side mounting installing.

How to Install Drawer Slides


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