Safety Speed Cut Thermwood Corporation ECabinet Systems

Cabinetmaking

You are not logged in. [ Login ] Why log in
(NOTE: Login is not required to post)

Apply Face Frames after Finsh

7/24/17       
mixamelt Member

For those of you who use prefinished plywood for your cabinet boxes how do you attach the face frame after it has been finished? We have always built the whole cabinet and shot the face frame on through the front. Then the whole cabinet was sanded and painted inside and out. I was looking into using pre finished plywood boxes and only paint the face frame and finished ends and I am having a hard time figuring out how to do this.

7/24/17       #2: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Joe

I started doing this several years ago. Our full overlay cabinets areceasiest because all finished ends are applied panels. We prefinish the frame and clamp it using pads after the finish is dry. The floors sit 1/32" low. For partial overlay it is easiest to double wall the finished end. Glue it to the stile sand and finish. When dry clamp to box. Avoid excessive clamp pressure and keep them in clamps 20-30 minutes. You will need to expirament to find what works for you. I reduced my finish time by 2/3 doing this method.

7/24/17       #3: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Leo G

Pocket screws

7/25/17       #4: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Dan Cook

We have had problems with this as well. We build mostly frameless but do put face frames on bookcases, etc. We have a problem with the clamps leaving imprints on the finish, even when we use wood between clamps and the face frame. We use magnamax and have it dry for at least a day before attachment, but still find we often have to go back, tape off and reshoot frames with finish. We do use pocket screws on unfinished ends, but on finished ends it is still a problem.

7/25/17       #5: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Pdub Member

We tried it, but about every 3rd frame the finish would crack at a joint. Not good when 90% of your kitchens are white paint (please god, let this trend stop soon!).
So, we're back to applying the frame raw, masking the inside of the box and then finishing.

7/25/17       #6: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Leo G

(please god, let this trend stop soon!)

Amen

7/25/17       #7: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Adam

Pocket screws & glue. Just enough screws to pull the frame onto the box. Finished ends get screwed with regular screws thru the end panel. The vast majority of the time we are using raised panel or the like end panels so they need a typical end panel anyways. Never had an issue with a glue joint cracking. If you ever get cracks it is a result of a poor glue joint. They could crack during a delivery. The wood or ply would crack if its a fabrication issue. Not the glue.

Prefinish ply & prefinish frames is so much easier and faster that it pisses me off when we have to spray a whole box that has glass doors.

Its like most things. You need to do it a few times to get the hang of it. Having the boxes unassembled until the frames are done saves tons of space. We do them at the same time as the doors.

7/26/17       #8: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Chris

Website: http://www.csaw.com/lamello/p-system/

I have a bunch of shops using the Lamello Tenso P-14 connectors with pre-load clips for this application. I actually just sold another to a shop in NC yesterday for this very thing. Let me know if you want more info.
Chris

Lamello Tenso P-14

7/26/17       #10: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Nathan

We pocket screw non finished ends and on finished ends we switched to the Lamello Tenso about 6 months ago. Worth every penny. We used to biscuit and clamp. Would worry about messing up finish. With the Lamello you just put some glue on the cabinet and snap it together. The Lamello clips have enough clamp pressure to allow glue to dry.

7/28/17       #11: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Jack Mazzuchelli  Member

Chris hmmmmm interesting. tell me more plus lmao I am in Zebulon nc

7/28/17       #12: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Pat Gilbert

I have seen it done and done it myslelf with blind dados.

I recommend it.

7/28/17       #13: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Dan / drbwoodworks

Chris I picked one up when Ct saw & tool first offered it , we use it primarily for attaching face frames that have been pre painted . Also with a few well placed pocket screws .
We rarely pop a face frame joint . The way we build cabinet we have no other choice but to finish them this way . Our customers want cabinets as big as possible with no butt joints where cabinets meet .

8/7/17       #14: Apply Face Frames after Finsh ...
Chris

Website: http://www.csaw.com/lamello/

Thanks everyone for the responses - just got back from a relaxing week up in Maine, so getting caught up here. Dan, good to see you at the Vegas show and thanks for the testimonial! Nathan, thanks for your purchase and glad to hear it's working out so well for you. Jack, I will follow up with you soon, but if you want to contact me anytime my work number is: 781.585.4364 x.206
And to anyone looking to start using the P-system (or already doing so), please call me anytime with application questions. I ran my own shop in Maryland for ten years, so I can speak to you on a pretty deep level about what our products can do!


Post a Response
  • Notify me of responses to this thread
  • Subscribe to email updates on this Forum
  • To receive email notification of additions to this forum thread,
    enter your name and email address, and then click the
    "Keep Me Posted" button below.

    Please Note: If you have posted a message or response,
    do not submit this request ... you are already signed up
    to receive notification!

    Your Name:
    E-Mail Address:
    Enter the correct numbers into the field below:
     

    Date of your Birth:



    Return to top of page

    Buy & Sell Exchanges | Forums | Galleries | Site Map

    FORUM GUIDELINES: Please review the guidelines below before posting at WOODWEB's Interactive Message Boards (return to top)

  • WOODWEB is a professional industrial woodworking site. Hobbyist and homeowner woodworking questions are inappropriate.
  • Messages should be kept reasonably short and on topic, relating to the focus of the forum. Responses should relate to the original question.
  • A valid email return address must be included with each message.
  • Advertising is inappropriate. The only exceptions are the Classified Ads Exchange, Machinery Exchange, Lumber Exchange, and Job Opportunities and Services Exchange. When posting listings in these areas, review the posting instructions carefully.
  • Subject lines may be edited for length and clarity.
  • "Cross posting" is not permitted. Choose the best forum for your question, and post your question at one forum only.
  • Messages requesting private responses will be removed - Forums are designed to provide information and assistance for all of our visitors. Private response requests are appropriate at WOODWEB's Exchanges and Job Opportunities and Services.
  • Messages that accuse businesses or individuals of alleged negative actions or behavior are inappropriate since WOODWEB is unable to verify or substantiate the claims.
  • Posts with the intent of soliciting answers to surveys are not appropriate. Contact WOODWEB for more information on initiating a survey.
  • Excessive forum participation by an individual upsets the balance of a healthy forum atmosphere. Individuals who excessively post responses containing marginal content will be considered repeat forum abusers.
  • Responses that initiate or support inappropriate and off-topic discussion of general politics detract from the professional woodworking focus of WOODWEB, and will be removed.
  • Participants are encouraged to use their real name when posting. Intentionally using another persons name is prohibited, and posts of this nature will be removed at WOODWEB's discretion.
  • Comments, questions, or criticisms regarding Forum policies should be directed to WOODWEB's Systems Administrator
    (return to top).

    Carefully review your message before clicking on the "Send Message" button - you will not be able to revise the message once it has been sent.

    You will be notified of responses to the message(s) you posted via email. Be sure to enter your email address correctly.

    WOODWEB's forums are a highly regarded resource for professional woodworkers. Messages and responses that are crafted in a professional and civil manner strengthen this resource. Messages that do not reflect a professional tone reduce the value of our forums.

    Messages are inappropriate when their content: is deemed libelous in nature or is based on rumor, fails to meet basic standards of decorum, contains blatant advertising or inappropriate emphasis on self promotion (return to top).

    Libel:   Posts which defame an individual or organization, or employ a tone which can be viewed as malicious in nature. Words, pictures, or cartoons which expose a person or organization to public hatred, shame, disgrace, or ridicule, or induce an ill opinion of a person or organization, are libelous.

    Improper Decorum:   Posts which are profane, inciting, disrespectful or uncivil in tone, or maliciously worded. This also includes the venting of unsubstantiated opinions. Such messages do little to illuminate a given topic, and often have the opposite effect. Constructive criticism is acceptable (return to top).

    Advertising:   The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not an advertising venue. Companies participating in a Forum discussion should provide specific answers to posted questions. WOODWEB suggests that businesses include an appropriately crafted signature in order to identify their company. A well meaning post that seems to be on-topic but contains a product reference may do your business more harm than good in the Forum environment. Forum users may perceive your references to specific products as unsolicited advertising (spam) and consciously avoid your web site or services. A well-crafted signature is an appropriate way to advertise your services that will not offend potential customers. Signatures should be limited to 4-6 lines, and may contain information that identifies the type of business you're in, your URL and email address (return to top).

    Repeated Forum Abuse: Forum participants who repeatedly fail to follow WOODWEB's Forum Guidelines may encounter difficulty when attempting to post messages.

    There are often situations when the original message asks for opinions: "What is the best widget for my type of shop?". To a certain extent, the person posting the message is responsible for including specific questions within the message. An open ended question (like the one above) invites responses that may read as sales pitches. WOODWEB suggests that companies responding to such a question provide detailed and substantive replies rather than responses that read as a one-sided product promotion. It has been WOODWEB's experience that substantive responses are held in higher regard by our readers (return to top).

    The staff of WOODWEB assume no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or outcome of any posting transmitted at WOODWEB's Message Boards. Participants should undertake the use of machinery, materials and methods discussed at WOODWEB's Message Boards after considerate evaluation, and at their own risk. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages it deems inappropriate. (return to top)


  • Forum Posting Help
    Your Name The name you enter in this field will be the name that appears with your post or response (return to form).
    Your Website Personal or business website links must point to the author's website. Inappropriate links will be removed without notice, and at WOODWEB's sole discretion. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links it deems inappropriate. (return to form)
    E-Mail Address Your e-mail address will not be publicly viewable. Forum participants will be able to contact you using a contact link (included with your post) that is substituted for your actual address. You must include a valid email address in this field. (return to form)
    Subject Subject may be edited for length and clarity. Subject lines should provide an indication of the content of your post. (return to form)
    Thread Related Link and Image Guidelines Thread Related Links posted at WOODWEB's Forums and Exchanges should point to locations that provide supporting information for the topic being discussed in the current message thread. The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not to serve as an advertising venue. A Thread Related Link that directs visitors to an area with inappropriate content will be removed. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links or images it deems inappropriate. (return to form)
    Thread Related File Uploads Thread Related Files posted at WOODWEB's Forums and Exchanges should provide supporting information for the topic being discussed in the current message thread. Video Files: acceptable video formats are: .MOV .AVI .WMV .MPEG .MPG .MP4 (Image Upload Tips)   If you encounter any difficulty when uploading video files, E-mail WOODWEB for assistance. The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not to serve as an advertising venue. A Thread Related File that contains inappropriate content will be removed, and uploaded files that are not directly related to the message thread will be removed. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links, files, or images it deems inappropriate. (return to form)
    Limtech Industries, Inc. Lamello