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Composite nailers, anyone using them?

8/8/17       
Matt M

We are considering getting a 15 gauge composite nailer. We have several uses for one in the shop, and if they are good, we'll end up with several of them I'm sure.

I am particularly eyeballing the SENCO SPFN15XP but am open to suggestions.

One use is for nailing together layers of countertop. We make a lot of countertops out of stuff with MDF core, and that's probably the most challenging thing it would nail. We also do a lot of particleboard and plywood core.

Will these nailers shoot together two layers of 3/4" MDF?

The goal is to have something that has no metal fasteners that my installers have to worry about cutting (with saw or with holesaw).

The other use is for pinning hardwood down to the CNC. Currently when we need to route hardwood, I use an oversized board and a couple screws in strategic places.

This works, but a composite nail would make this much faster since we wouldn't be worried about the cutter hitting a metal object.

Anyone using them?

8/8/17       #2: Composite nailers, anyone using the ...
Bill

We looked at them, they are pricy and there are other ways of getting around our issues.

I am interested in your statement about screwing hardwood to the CNC. Are they small pieces?

8/8/17       #3: Composite nailers, anyone using the ...
Dropout Member

I use the plastic nails for holding ply down if needed. Works great.

There is nothing quite like a $100 router bit hitting a screw at 16,000 RPM and 800 IPM :) I try to avoid it as much as possible.

8/8/17       #4: Composite nailers, anyone using the ...
Adam

https://raptornails.com/docs/sell-sheets/MAX-CN565S2-COIL_BULK-NAILS.pdf

https:
//raptornails.com/store/home/23-common-nails.html#/package-box/type-coil/length-1
_5_8_coil_5_15

That's $95/200 one coil. It looks like any 0 or 15 degree siding gun will work. There is nothing special about Max as far as I know. Bostich makes a really good one for $215.

The 1/5/8 could be good for holding together (2) 3/4" sheets of mdf.
The 2 1/4 could be good for holding down thicker material to a spoil board.

Sounds like the gun is cheap and useful for trimming/siding houses. The nails are expensive.

galv coil gun nails are $50/3600.

8/9/17       #5: Composite nailers, anyone using the ...
Matt M

Bill, the boards are frequently 5" wide and 8' long. They hold "just enough" with our current vacuum setup that "most" pieces don't move.

But when they do, it gets crazy. So a couple minutes putting in a screw (or even better, just slam a few composite nails) and you have peace of mind.

Regarding the Raptor nails, they look like a good product but the last time I checked, I wasn't able to get solid word on how they would work in our application (simply nailing two layers of 3/4" MDF together). They did offer to send a gun and nails if we opened a business account with them, to test out, and we only had to pay for the nails if we returned the gun. That was a fair offer, but I think honestly I just need a person who can say "yes, model ### does it in my shop just fine".

8/9/17       #6: Composite nailers, anyone using the ...
Matt M

Hey, Dropout, what gun and nails are you using? Do they shoot through 4/4 hardwood (soft maple, red oak) OK?

8/9/17       #7: Composite nailers, anyone using the ...
Dropout Member

Omer nailer

Will split soft maple....

8/10/17       #8: Composite nailers, anyone using the ...
Brian

I have used the Raptor nails with two layers of MDF. The top piece of MDF puckers out on the bottom between the two pieces and won't let the 2 layers stay tight together.

8/12/17       #9: Composite nailers, anyone using the ...
Steve

Omer and raptor..3/4" MDF to spoil board will not nail without some raising of the MDF from the spoil board. Breaking the surface of the MDF with a drill point hels some. Most of the time nail will break when hitting spoil board. Use pointed nails and not chisel points.

8/12/17       #10: Composite nailers, anyone using the ...
Adam

mdf is a poor material for fastening with any fastener.

The first time I hear about composite nails was in boatbuilding. The West System guys pioneered the use of composite staples to hold down thick cedar veneers to build cold molding epoxy boats.

galv 1/4" cabinet or 7/16" siding staplers work great on any sheet good other than mdf.

Perhaps the mdf is the problem. We've always used particle board for our laminate counter tops.

8/14/17       #11: Composite nailers, anyone using the ...
Matt M

Dropout, thanks for the info, that's helpful.

Adam, yeah we use PB on laminate tops as well but we occasionally have painted tops for bookshelf built-ins and such that are spec'ed out for MDF because of it's hardness superiority over plywood.

Steve-- thanks for that information. Hopefully we won't need to nail MDF down to the spoil, but we would be doing hardwood occasionally with it. It seems like these composites just don't like MDF in general, which is a downer since we do a good bit of MDF where composite nails would be nice (paint grade countertops, for example).


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