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is it worth it to upgrade powermatic e16

4/25/23       
andy

I've been thinking about getting a byrd head on my old planer, but I'm just not sure it's worth it. Should i just save the money and put it towards a newer planer that comes with a byrd cutterhead or similar? Anyone have experience with this planer. thanks

4/25/23       #2: is it worth it to upgrade powermati ...
gary

What is your current planer?

4/25/23       #3: is it worth it to upgrade powermati ...
Andy

Current planer is a powermatic e16.

4/25/23       #4: is it worth it to upgrade powermati ...
Chippy1987 Member

Save your cash and put it toward a newer planer that can offer you more capabilities.

4/25/23       #5: is it worth it to upgrade powermati ...
RichC

You can greatly improve a straight blade on a planer by grinding a front bevel on it.

https://woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Knife_Grinding_and_Woodworking_Manual_5.html

4/26/23       #6: is it worth it to upgrade powermati ...
Bruce H

If you have a Powermatic e16 in nice condition I'd spend the money on a Byrd head for it. Newer planers are not built like the old ones. The Byrd head will run quieter than the current straight knife. The only thing I didn't like about that series of Powermatic planers was that the motor was mounted outboard. Makes it easier to service but takes up more space in width. They were built like tanks and, if taken care of, will run several lifetimes. I have insert heads on both my jointer and planer, much better than a straight knife. Tearout is a thing of the past and I get about a year and half between knife rotations.

4/28/23       #7: is it worth it to upgrade powermati ...
Karl E Brogger  Member

Website: http://www.sogncabinets.com

I'm in the camp that doesn't care for the insert heads.

I think the helical heads that get ground in the machine are the best all around. They can leave a very fine finish, and they have enough gullet to hog.

I have a Tersa head in my planer. It's just too easy to swap knives. Not even pushing it takes me 7 minutes.

The chicklet heads do make an awesome chip as far as dust collection goes.
Rotating inserts is a chore.
The finish isn't that great from what I've seen unless you're extremely diligent about cleaning and torquing things properly. Most things go through a widebelt after, so probably not that big of a deal. It just bugs me.
They are quieter, but that's never been that important to me.

4/28/23       #8: is it worth it to upgrade powermati ...
gary

I put a Byrd in my 13" jointer years ago and love it. My 36" planer/sander and 16" jointer also have heads similar to Byrd. I know not everyone cares for them but I would never go back.


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