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Imos CAD CAM

12/7/13       
Michael Sanders  Member

Hello guys,

Im working with a large shop that has not gone with software automation. They have an auto loading angular panel saw, 2 beam saws, 3 CNC boring machines, CNC dowel/insert line, 4 side banding line with auto turn and multiple tape feed, 3 straight line banders. A mix of German and Italian machinery. They produce 500 cases a day and have medium to low product variation (a mix of modtly low end highrise condominium and high end residential). They have Planit Milenium and were never able to use it. I am experienced with CV and think that is the way to go, but I have never been involved in this level of manufacturing, not sure that CV is the best option. The Production Planner is sold on Imos.

http://www.imos-australia.com/index.php

I have no experience in this program. It seems to be a parametrically driven Database like CV but uses AutoCad for drawing and editing functions..... Sounds like MicroVellum to me. I have avoided MivroVellum because I hear from too many users that regret going with them.

Does anyone have and input on Imos? How about CV running this level of production? Any other options?

As always thanks for all your input and the time to share your experiences.

Mike

12/9/13       #2: Imos CAD CAM ...
Lenny Scianna  Member

Website: http://www.microvellum.com

Hi Mike

I’m a tech over here at Microvellum and happened to notice your post. When MV version 7.0 was first released, there certainly were issues. Unfortunately many people did have problems. Re-writing a true 64 bit application with so many moving parts turned out to be a large endeavor for us.

So the reason for my post is to stick my neck out here and publicly say that the current v7.5 is day and night different from when it was first released. In the last 6-9 months, we have seen many customers running older version successfully migrate to v7.5. We have an active community of users & techs helping each other out every day. Whether it be reports, labels, g-code generation, library data, or whatever facet of your production, I see people all the time having great success with MV.

Back in September I had an opportunity to get out of the office and spend some time onsite at a very large architectural millwork shop in California. They do about 36 million a year in work, so they’re pretty big. I was involved in getting them upgraded to v7.5 of Microvellum after a failed attempt at CV. Apparently they really tried to get CV to work. But being as large of a company as they are, it was never flexible enough for what they needed. Fortunately this company understands the value of training their employees. So after a week of onsite training and integration, plus some online support thru our “eSupport” system, they are up and running.

I do understand that Microvellum is not for everyone. I have respect for people who dislike it or find it too complex. For smaller companies, it takes a special individual at the reins with patience and perseverance. With time, the rewards are huge. For larger companies, the ability to manage large libraries of products is huge. In v7.5 we have a new tool called “Library Designer” that gives us the ability to manage unlimited numbers of products in your library. Even custom one-off products can be “analyzed” and included in this utility. So for example if you want to change a formula to alter the logic in how your cabinet backs are captured, using Library Designer can perform this task to all your standard casework plus all the custom products you may have saved to your library. (Sorry, I guess I’m just a nerdy tech who gets overly excited by this ability.)

Another major change that has recently happened is Microvellum no longer relies on a 3 party organization for sales and services. So now for anyone who would like to engage in a dialogue with Microvellum, can now work with us directly. Whether that be sales or services, Microvellum corporate (located here in the US) is now better connected to meeting the needs of its end users. We are hopeful that this change will result in a better experience for all MV users.

I am somewhat familiar with Imos Cad Cam. The company I mentioned earlier was also looking at it. They ultimately choose MV over it because getting good consistent support from a company in Europe was a concern. And like I mentioned earlier, having a local support structure in place can be just as important as the software itself. They were also interested in some of the new estimating tools being developed by MV. The thought of the estimating department using the same catalogue as the engineering department was a very desirable concept.

Let me know if you have any questions about MV. Either I or someone else on our staff would be happy to help you out.

12/19/13       #3: Imos CAD CAM ...
cadfly

IMOS is not available to you guys in the USA. It is a brilliant programme that is really taking off in Europe and the rest of the world. Having worked with both programmes and knowing you are US based, look at Microvellum. It is a massive programme and yes, it takes alot to learn it properly but it does work. Be sure you are up to speed on SQL database management and very, very good at advanced Excel formulas. Your company sounds like a good fit for Microvellum. Best wishes for your success.

12/29/13       #4: Imos CAD CAM ...
Paul

The issue most shops have with MV is taking time to learn it. I also have had the opportunity to look at IMOS and while it does have some neat tricks it can also be quite cumbersome. I wouldn't give up MV for it.

1/4/14       #5: Imos CAD CAM ...
Michael Sanders  Member

Im not in the US (I am American). My client decided to go with Mozaik. It is a pretty amazing program for nested based manufacturing.

Ill post my experiences with it soon.

Mike

3/14/14       #7: Imos CAD CAM ...
Pat O

IMOS is available in the US, now and it is called woodCAD|CAM and now has full support and integration services available, as well as fully functioning libraries of products to begin with. You can contact Roger Shaw and Associates for more information.

Roger Shaw

5/17/15       #9: Imos CAD CAM ...
Woodwork101

Hi,
I have used imos for 5 years now. It is a great cad based parametric program with many integrations. There is a training centre in North carolina, US. I never use MV, but I am sure it is very similar in principles.

9/30/15       #11: Imos CAD CAM ...
Tor-Bj Member

Hi. Any one experience with BiesseWorks and Imos?
Looks like its most USA guys here and therefor it guess machines from italy is rather unusually, but i try.

My experience is that it isnt any good match. BiesseWorks i have learn use tool compensation the opositt way from normale... Can this things create problems?

11/14/16       #13: Imos CAD CAM ...
draftsman

Can anyone help me where can I donwload a free trial of IMOS Software , I really need to study it. t.y.


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