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Vertical Machining Center

8/22/14       
Wyatt

Interesting to see a number of new vertical machining centers at IWF, reduced footprint, better dust containment.

The one from Holz-Her holds the part with vacuum pods allows machining on all 4 sides and anywhere on face is pretty interesting and also won the Challengers Award

The price I was quoted was very competitive with other machines considering the standard features they were offering- 10 vertical drills, 6 horizontal, X axis saw, 9 hp HSK spindle and 6 position tool changer

8/26/14       #2: Vertical Machining Center ...
Larry

I looked at them also but not seriously. They suffer the same drawbacks and advantages that pod & rail machines have just more limited except the pod machines can handle patterns that have scrap falling free.. Might be fine for kitchen boxes but not our work. Any part cut free from the main panel looks like a problem. Maybe I missed something. You can buy a decent flat table machine for the same price and nest. Less handling.

8/27/14       #3: Vertical Machining Center ...
Mike

Missing the point I think. I was impressed by those machines, understanding that they are designed for drilling and machining panels that are precut to size and edgebanded while taking up limited real estate in the shop. They definitely do not compete with nested based routers as that is not their role. I could not use one in my shop, but I have worked at less custom shops where that type of machine would be used heavily.

8/27/14       #4: Vertical Machining Center ...
Alan F.

The ones with drill and insert reduce a step in box parts; window cut outs can be ground to dust and or cutouts can tab parts, compared to a P2P machine one would still need a router for routed parts. Toe kick notches are designed to drop out.

Part processing times are faster than P2P with 0 setup and unload/load is faster. Drawer parts can be grooved and drilled / doweled in a single step so we could eliminate our drill and insert CNC. The ones we looked at handle up to 4’ x 10’ parts.

Moving a part through a machine is less machine wear than a head moving 12' every other part 200 times a day, 5 days a week, month in and month out. These are for shops that cut on beam saws or small shops that cut on saws. They fit certain needs.

We have been researching these types of machines for over a year.
A-

8/27/14       #5: Vertical Machining Center ...
Chris Boyer Member

Hi Larry. Missed you at the show. I had hoped to get you on board with the verticals. LOL
Larry is correct with regard to off fall. It must be machined away or held. Holding can be challenging due to clamp or vacuum location. But that doesn't mean it cannot process parts other than cabinets. We use it for many solid wood applications and non-typical processing. We showed jig'd parts, solid wood onion skinned parts, engraving, solid door processing, mdf door processing, and even machined rectangles into circles on the machine at IWF.
It has advantages over traditional PTP like unlimited part length processing, chip to chip time savings because parts can be loaded quicker, takes up less space than traditional PTP, and so on. We see great advantage in shops where they have a beam saw and multiple PTP's because the vertical can replace a PTP (or add production) matching or beating it's process speed in less space and in some cases for half the money. PTP's are sized (table length) for maximum common size part per zone for pendulum processing. If your zone part is say 60" with a 36" safety zone you would need a machine 13+ foot long. For the price of this machine you could put two verticals in, save money, use same space, and produce two parts at the same time effectively increasing your production by double. Great for cabinet shops or architectural millwork shops the same IF you use it to take cabinet load off CNC's.

8/28/14       #6: Vertical Machining Center ...
Gary B.

Who makes one that inserts dowels? I missed that...

8/29/14       #7: Vertical Machining Center ...
Joe Knobbe

Gary, I believe the Biesse machine has that option as well as the ability to use aggregates and many more. It seemed to me to be the most versatile of all the verticals. I don't believe the machine they showed could insert dowels though.

I think the linked video shows dowel inserting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEXYLzs4tDc

8/29/14       #8: Vertical Machining Center ...
Alan F.

Gary,
Biesse and Weeke both make machines that drill and insert as an option.
A-

8/31/14       #9: Vertical Machining Center ...
Kevin Singleton  Member

Website: http://www.biesseamerica.com

Biesse has been doing this longer than the other manufacturers. The Eko machine is the machine to look at if you want insertion too.

9/2/14       #10: Vertical Machining Center ...
Derek S.

In the 10 year period before we got our NB router, we ran the predecessor to this type of machine. Ours was called the Unitech, and it was made by SCMi. We had one of the only ones in the country. An awesome machine, perfect in every way for what we wanted it to do. We ran it in conjunction with a vertical panel saw, and if not for the accuracy issues of the vertical panel saw we would probably still be using it today. The flexibility of the work cell concept and the tiny amount of floor space our work cell consumed is still relevant and worth considering. Far less space needed than with a router, quicker turn around from raw material to a buildable cabinet, sometimes I miss our old setup.

Derek


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